how about all of the supposedly 200-odd el-saturn lps out there that aren't re-issued ? anybody got some saturn vinyl they'd like to mention ? ok, recommending these odd small-run bootleg type lps would be pointless, but if everyone here had one real el-saturn piece of vinyl, it might be a different one from anyone else's here, hopefully
200+ privately issued lps -- some very limited, issued casually at gigs from the '60s to the '80s -- let's hear about the ones that haven't made it to the re-issue process and maybe may never re-appear -- made it into anyone's collection ?
how about it ? not s/d, more a special swap meet on saturn ?some el-saturn record that you and possibly you alone might be able to say something about ..
― george gosset (gegoss), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 04:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 13:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― george gosset (gegoss), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm not a collector of rarities. There is too much that is easily available which I haven't gotten to (not just for Sun Ra, but in general).
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 14:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
Space is the place, what else?
― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 8 March 2003 04:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 8 March 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 8 March 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
Singles is an invaluable reference.
Solo Piano (Vol. II) (a.k.a. St. Louis Blues) is a revelation.
― christoff (christoff), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
Presumably it's http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=11:11:51|AM&sql=Bcnez97u7krat
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
'Strange Strings' is relentless acoustic noise, it does not let up. It's what I was hoping 'Atlantis' would sound like.
'Secrets of the Sun' is probably my favorite of the early stuff, where they're still caught between big band traditional playing and free form.
― Jon Leidecker, Monday, 10 March 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Thursday, 13 March 2003 23:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
I remember hearing a version of "Astro Black" (presumably from the album of the same name) that sounded better, but this was back when I was a teenager, and my recollection is pretty vague after 20 or so years of not hearing it since.
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 13 March 2003 23:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Thursday, 13 March 2003 23:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
well done ra-kist. nothing to fear as i said on top of the thread to deraymi (you both thought it was diff...that's 'uncanny' (sp? vocab?), that is).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 14 March 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 14 March 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 14 March 2003 16:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 14 March 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
(yes i tried html type stuff and i fucked it up)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 14 March 2003 16:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
[Note: kist=stone sarcophagus, therefore: ra-kist would be the coffin of the sun, or the earth itself, since the sun descends into the earth, each night.]
― Ra-kist Scientist, Friday, 14 March 2003 18:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
(So Ra-Kist Scientist is my esoteric name.)
― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 15 March 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 24 April 2003 13:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 24 April 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
o. nate, I'm honestly a little leery of the live recordings in general. (Nothing Is. . . is probably my favorite of that bunch, though I also really like the live half of the quirky Music from Tomorrow's World that came out last year, but that's from the 60's. I don't especially like anything I've heard on Leo records, except for brief moments. Actually Live at the Pitt Inn (in Japan) is not bad, but I still listen to that more for individual tracks than as a whole album (and it's expensive).
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 24 April 2003 19:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 24 April 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Homegrown, Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― H (Heruy), Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
Really? I've been slowly building up my Sun Ra collection and so far one of the richest veins I've been mining are all those John Sinclair-produced reissues of the Arkestra's appearances at the Ann Arbor Blues & Jazz Festival ("Outer Space Employment Agency", "Life is Splendid", "It is Forbidden") - I like the blend of early 70s synths, the chants, and the free-blowing horn sections. What's your take on these?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 April 2003 20:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
I saw them do a show of mostly Disney songs in Philadelphia many years back, when June Tyson was still around, and it was great, but the Leo CD didn't work for me. (They also did a smaller scale Disney tribute this past summer, but it wasn't as impressive as that earlier show.)
Shakey, I don't know if I've heard those recordings.
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 24 April 2003 21:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 24 April 2003 21:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'll see if I can dig up that tape and make a copy for you if you like.
― H (Heruy), Thursday, 24 April 2003 21:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
Shakey, it's not sound quality: it's just that sometimes I feel the live spectacle doesn't translate well into merely a sound recording. For instance, I've heard more than one live recording where the opening "space chord" sort of chaotic blowing session just gets tedious. Or, the goofier end of their material somehow comes across as too goofy, where I don't think it would bother me in concert. I don't have a turn-table either.
I'm technologically very limited.
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 24 April 2003 21:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 24 April 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
Do you do orgies?
― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 24 April 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― H (Heruy), Friday, 25 April 2003 09:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 00:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 17 May 2003 17:29 (twenty years ago) link
Sorry for late notice. I wasn't paying much attention.
― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 8 June 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 8 June 2003 18:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 8 June 2003 19:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 8 June 2003 21:12 (twenty years ago) link
strange strings is pretty incredible, a real bizarre one off: I was thinking that Ra heard ornette coleman's Fiddle playing on 'Live at the golden circle vol II' and decide to try that with the arkestra.
It's prob one of the few times that Ra got into total free improv but then you have marshall allen (?) gargling through a megaphone too and its almost designed to throw your bearings off once you get the 'idea'. Its funny and uncomfortable at the same time.
'My brother the wind' is kind of like that but with Ra's Moog playing, there's some sax, percussion, flute but Ra gets sounds out of it that are a true wonder but its just the way he improvises on it that really put me on the edge of my seat. I like the way he engulfs the accoustic instruments in electronics and the way he uses to almost bully these players into keeping up with him.
'Lanquidity' is sci-fi funk: 'accessible' music I find its a hard trick to pull off for someone who has been 'out there' but its pretty good. if you're looking for lots of improv or jazz you won't find it but a melding of the two with some good excellent moments.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 10 August 2003 13:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Al Andalous, Sunday, 10 August 2003 13:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 10 August 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link