"Ingmar Bergman's films utterly depressing" -- Ingmar Bergman

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Ingmar Bergman R.I.P.

Zeno, Monday, 30 July 2007 11:37 (twelve years ago) link

Gukbe OTM.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 30 July 2007 12:38 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

So, can somebody explain to me what made Persona a parable about the Vietnam conflict? I've heard this mentioned several times, and beyond the self-immolation fragment in the opening montage I don't understand the connection. Answers appreciated, this has been bothering me for some time and Film Four's Bergman season means its bothering me again.

I know, right?, Friday, 1 August 2008 11:51 (eleven years ago) link

The parallel is made by zealous film professors.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 1 August 2008 13:09 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah but based on what? It's always puzzled me, I can't even see it in a tenuous way

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 01:05 (eleven years ago) link

I'll keep this in mind if I stay up during Film Four's screening tomorrow night.

Doubt I'll stay with it...

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 2 August 2008 14:49 (eleven years ago) link

No it's really gripping all the way through, esp once they get to the house, but Vietnam?

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

my Bergman prof didn't mention vietnam. Just a lot of stuff about the opening montage being a summation of the history of cinema and the rest the film discussed in terms of "psychological vampirism".

dan selzer, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

see now, that's what I got

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

seven months pass...

Finally watched Seventh Seal last night...sort of a duty-to-the-classic-canon thing rather than because I really wanted to watch it. But I was surprised how much I enjoyed it.

if you put sci3ntology thru a brita filter 4 times you get ILX (WmC), Sunday, 29 March 2009 15:37 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

I saw it just now and it'sastoundingly brilliant. Fucking funny, sad, human, triumphant, frightening study of death and the unknowability of the divine. With a truly inspired ensemble cast, and that one scene with the eating of wild strawberries ("I will never forget this moment") which almost had me weeping for joy

cockles (country matters), Sunday, 16 August 2009 04:35 (ten years ago) link

so, was amateurist joking when he said he never saw a bergman film in 2004?

if he wasn't, i am really fucking stunned!

Persona has to be one of the 10 greatest, no doubt in my mind.

t0dd swiss, Sunday, 16 August 2009 04:54 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXGFo2WI2aw

Zeno, Saturday, 10 October 2009 05:39 (ten years ago) link

Witless.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Saturday, 10 October 2009 06:01 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17fGOC0IC9I

anyone who mistakes bergman for being austere/cold/humourless should see this movie

<3 it

kinda reminds me of the muppet show

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 17 May 2010 03:54 (nine years ago) link

Oh dear god no song gets stuck in my head like Papageno!

I had no idea he did a The Magic Flute.

it is... wonderful.

please to see it.

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:10 (nine years ago) link

it would be great to watch this on a big screen outdoors this summer, i feel

planes/octaves/dimensions of existence (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:36 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpIUYzxlpjw

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:43 (nine years ago) link

also anyone making common cause with john simon is pretty suspect.

*hisses and boos*

Simon is terrific and his reviews were wickedly funny. Your point about Simon trashing the abstruse but digging "Persona" is kinda OTM though

Cunga, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:43 (nine years ago) link

kinda did a little tribute to magic flute here

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:09 (nine years ago) link

That's great!

frozen cookie (Abbott), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:25 (nine years ago) link

thk u!

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:27 (nine years ago) link

I have pushed this o the top of my Netflix queue btw. I am so stoked!

frozen cookie (Abbott), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:29 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

his real dad was Steve jobs

Latham Green, Thursday, 26 May 2011 19:09 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

I watched the "film" version of Scenes From a Marriage about sixteen years ago. Criterion released both versions. Is the TV version better?

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 00:30 (six years ago) link

ten months pass...

Just watched "Seventh Seal" for the first time. My first Bergman. It was wonderful!

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 April 2014 00:41 (five years ago) link

Best Death ever!

Aimless, Sunday, 13 April 2014 00:52 (five years ago) link

The part where they are watching the witch be burned, and they are looking into her eyes and not seeing God in them, is pretty amazing.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 April 2014 01:04 (five years ago) link

For all the existential angst, there's a lot of humor in this.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 April 2014 01:05 (five years ago) link

I once tried to watch Wild Strawberries when I was on the comedown off Ecstasy. It's a great movie, but dear god, what was I thinking? I will never understand why I thought it would be suitable for that frame of mind. Had to turn it off.

mirostones, Sunday, 13 April 2014 14:41 (five years ago) link

Bergman has been my 2nd-favorite discovery since I started my heavy film-immersion program a few years ago. I recommend The Magician next or soonish.

Oren Zombarchi (WilliamC), Sunday, 13 April 2014 14:55 (five years ago) link

Thanks, I will definitely check that out next!

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 April 2014 16:06 (five years ago) link

This opens here shortly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELIMeemx-FI

I invented a new word to describe it: "Bergmanesque."

clemenza, Sunday, 13 April 2014 16:54 (five years ago) link

Summer Interlude is probably my favourite. Summer with Monika, Seventh Seal, Wild Strawberries and Through A Glass Darkly are all solid gold. and Virgin Spring (two really shockingly violent bits)

you're right about 7th seal and the humour - bloke climbs a tree to escape death, death gets out a saw. slapstick. also feels like every single frame of the film would make a great poster.

koogs, Sunday, 13 April 2014 19:53 (five years ago) link

> Bergman has been my 2nd-favorite discovery since I started my heavy film-immersion program

and the first?

koogs, Sunday, 13 April 2014 19:53 (five years ago) link

Yes, Death with the saw! So good! Also when the squire is off to the side calling every trick Lisa is going to use to calm her furious husband. "It's only a matter of time before she brings up his favorite dish..." This kind of humor is all over sitcoms!

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 April 2014 20:05 (five years ago) link

Also the bit where they are doing that silly play with the devil and a somewhat vulgarly playful song and all of a sudden this mass of Black Death ecstatics wanders into town and just completely usurps their act. People whipping each other and calling out to God, making such a big show of it all. Suddenly the fool and his family dressed up in silly devil costumes seem the most genuine people around.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 April 2014 20:15 (five years ago) link

I definitely need to watch it again, there's a lot of commentary on the performance aspects of religion, on people willfully fooling each other. The painter in the monastery painting pictures to stir up church attendance, the witch who is desperately trying to convince herself - in the face of her own death - that the devil is real and in her eyes.

This movie seems heavily influenced by the tarot, beginning and ending w the fool, plenty of knights and cups and clubs, etc. throughout. Then again the Tarot is probably influenced by Revelations...

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 April 2014 20:22 (five years ago) link

koogs -- #1 is Ozu

Oren Zombarchi (WilliamC), Sunday, 13 April 2014 20:23 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

Liv Ullmann talks about Bergman in anticipation of BFI retrospective:

http://www.dazeddigital.com/film-tv/article/38835/1/liv-ullmann-ingmar-bergman-bfi

Josefa, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 15:42 (one year ago) link

Saw "Through a Glass Darkly" at the cinema only yesterday!

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:55 (one year ago) link

Got F&A out of the library for my first viewing in 15 years, particularly for the TV version, which I haven't seen. Is it worth it?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:33 (one year ago) link

yes it absolutely is

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:34 (one year ago) link

Abysmal.

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:34 (one year ago) link

lol wrong thread soz

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:35 (one year ago) link

Yes, at least one of my favorite scenes is cut from the theatrical.

Chris L, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:35 (one year ago) link

It was "The Silence" today. Still recovering.

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:39 (one year ago) link


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