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O HOW DARE U

― lisafrank! (deangulberry), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:11 (twenty years ago) link

just finished watching the whole series in 3 days. i feel like i just went through high school again. very happy about the last episode. i was worried about the lack of d&d on the geek side of things.

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:16 (twenty years ago) link

Did all teenagers listen to The Who back in 1981 tho'?

The anachronisms (this one didn't seem so off) are really annoying.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:17 (twenty years ago) link

The anachronisms really don't bother me at all -- unlike The Wonder Years, or Happy Days at least some of the time, being a period show doesn't seem to be the point of it. It's set in the early 80s, but it isn't about them.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:22 (twenty years ago) link

wifey signed the petition, but bought the cheap version. also read that Undeclared will make it to dvd.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 16 April 2004 19:47 (twenty years ago) link

I got the cheap version; am I a fool? I had forgotten about the whole Cindy Sherman thing! I read that Linda C. is now on E.R.--I have to watch. I have the biggest crush on Lindsay Weir.

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 16 April 2004 21:58 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...

ehh... just finished the whole thing. sorta sad. and yes, ian johnson did used to look like sam.

― The Second Drummer Drowned (Atila the Honeybun), Saturday, 1 May 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

I am borrowing this from you ok Jer?

― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Saturday, 1 May 2004 17:10 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...

THE BEN STILLER EPISODE! WHY?!?!?!?!?!!? V

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Been watching them on DVD, kick ass. We're only 4 episodes in though, then when we finish I get to go back and listen to the 30 COMMENTARY TRACKS I AM SUCH A DORK!

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, Martin Starr is the finest actor of our generation (and I mean that).

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

When you get to the last disc, skip the second episode. Don't watch it. SO FUCKING BAD.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

You're like Marty McFly, giving me advice from the future.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to go back in time and neuter Jerry Stiller.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

It makes me so angry. They had built up those great characters and then in one episode they shit all over them.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

i want to marry haverchuk.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Move to LA and you probably could.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

omg

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

actually though
all the stoner dudes back then
WERE into the Who!

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

every now and then i think about the fact that dean had drinks with haverchuk, and i get really angry and jealous.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

But you get burritoville with hstencil! *swoons*

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i'll trade. totally. i mean, i'll miss him and all but haverchuk holy shit!

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I hear he's gassy though, so maybe I'll have to think about it.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Lauren is such a horny spinster!!!!!!

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, are you as outraged by that Ben Stiller episode? I bothered me greatly. The series was perfect until that episode.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

SO MAD I CAN'T EVEN SPELL

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

it's don't think it's a good episode, but it doesn't make me mad. disappointed, more like. i don't like the "kim kelly is my friend" episode, either.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

*BEGIN SPOILERS*

That Kim episode is pretty goofy but it doesn't get too out there in terms of destroying the momentum of the show.

But that Stiller episode is soooo bad. 1) sam dumping the cheerleader, 2) george bush makes an "appearance", 3) ben stiller overacts, 4) A HERMAPHRODITE! W?T?F?, 5) haverchuck jumps over that shark on his motorcycle.

*END SPOILERS*

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

GAH YOU NEED MORE SPACE AROUND THE SPOILERS THING SINCE I PICKED OUT ONE WORD

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Definitely over-reacting about the Ben Stiller episode. What's wrong with Sam dumping the cheerleader? The character of Cindy Sanders is handled very well throughout the series, culminating in Sam's realization that his attraction to her has nothing to do with her personality. "Will popcorn make this movie funnier?"
The conversation between Ben Stiller and Mr. Rosso was funny.
The hermaphrodite storyline yeilded some strong narrative moments, such as Seth Rogen's hyper sensitive anger when Nick says "high guys" to him and his girlfriend. I found the conclusion to this angle, to be geuniely moving.
Overall, one of the strongest qualities about the show is its sense of morality.
The episode when we meet Kim Kelly's horrific family did bother me more than any of the others. Their seems to be a cruel, cartoonish classicism in the portrayl of the Kelly family, and the rest of the freaks, not present in any of the other episodes.

― theodore fogelsanger, Friday, 28 May 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

yup. the lazy, broad characterizations really bugged me because the show is so smartly written. i laughed, but most of it was very cheap humor. you're better than that, guys!

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 28 May 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

My main complaint with the Sam / Cindy breakup is that their relationship had been building for so long and then the writers totally hotshotted the ending. It seemed to me like the kind of story arc that you might want to wrap up in two seasons or so and then they just end it as soon as it has come to a head. Also, I had a lot of trouble with her sudden change in character. It is understandable that she is young and would be prone to sudden turns, but I still felt like it was cheap and not faithful to the way the story had been developing. The whole "I only liked you because you were attractive" moral is pretty bogus in my opinion because there was a quite a bit of time spent on Sam liking her because she was also nice to him and seemed to have her head on straight. Mind you, I also watched the episodes where they are dating back to back ... and I haven't seen the last episode. But I really doubt that it would change much for me.

I will admit that knives are out for Ben Stiller. I was just afraid watching every episode that he would pop up as a 'favor' to Apatow and when he did, it bothered me. Plus, I don't find him credible as an actor so I think that his acting style contrasts highly with the other much more believable actors.

The hermaphrodite storyline is just so bizarre. It also seems highly contrived to me since their relationship pops up again in this episode and guess what? She's a hermaphrodite. OOPS! So funny.

I guess my main complaint is that it seems like they packed an entire second season into the last few episodes. Maybe they did that because they knew that the show was going to be cancelled and wanted to at least get their storylines on the screen, but to me it feels rushed and corny in a way that didn't fit with the previous episodes.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 28 May 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

If I can recall the commentaries correctly, Apatow and Feig I think mention how their knowledge of imminent cancellation affected the writing of the last few episodes. So I think you have a point.
It's sad to think about what would have resulted had the show been given the kind of life it deserved.

― theodore fogelsanger, Friday, 28 May 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

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― JaXoN (JasonD), Saturday, 29 May 2004 07:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I loved this show!

― Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 29 May 2004 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link

is anyone freaking out over the commentaries? Sam Weir's voice is like super fucking low. i can't even tell it's him

― JaXoN (JasonD), Saturday, 29 May 2004 07:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Been watching 2-3 episodes of this every night, thanks to the box set. I think my favorite aspect of the show is how they take characters that were initially presented as jokey caricatures (e.g., Millie, Coach Fredericks, Alan the bully) and then humanize them. It shows a respect towards the characters not granted by most TV shows. Despite it being almost a cliche, I love the scene after Alan puts Bill in the hospital by putting a peanut (to which Bill is allergic) in his sandwich, when Alan breaks down and tells a comatose Bill that he's mean to them because they never let him hang out.

I wish there were more Lindsay/Sam scenes where they interact without the parents around, there's a warmth there that seems really natural. Pretty much my favorite scene so far in any episode is when Sam is freaked out from finding out that Neil's dad is having an affair, and he asks Lindsay whether she thinks their dad could have an affair. The dad walks up in his undershirt, boxers, and dark socks and says "Did someone say my name?" The kids look at him and just start laughing, mostly from relief.

― NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Still haven't gotten up to the dreaded Ben Stiller episode. But I like "Kim Kelly is My Friend," mostly because Kim Kelly is my favorite of the main characters.

― NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I rewatched the Stiller episode and I was overacting (like usual) but not much. I listened to the commentaries as well and it is true that they mention how they knew that they were going to get cancelled and wanted to get it all out before that had happened, so that takes a bit of the edge off. Either way, great show.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Why does Ken's girlfriend just disappear right before the last episode? I mean, wasn't the point at the end of the next to last episode that he realized he really did love her and didn't want to break up?

We've started watching them again with commentaries. Watch out world!

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I think that they mention in the commentary that the hermie episode was the last one that they worked on, but I may be mistaken.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

oh so yes, and tell me sam isn't a little queer blossom waiting to happen.
-- Geoff (pissingintherive...), August 22nd, 2001.

This makes me laugh everytime I open this up.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, so we watched the dreaded Ben Stiller episode last night, and dude, you were totally overreacting. I mean, Stiller is lame and all, his brand of comedy totally doesn't fit in, but he's in like maybe three minutes of the episode. AND I really like the Ken & Amy storyline about her being a hermaphrodite, though the part where he thinks this means he's gay is kind of lame (eg, the joke of him listening to disco, then rock, to see which he likes more is lame, though Rogan's acting makes it pretty funny).

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Dean is otmfm about ... well, everything, honestly, but especially the Ben Stiller episode. I didn't think you were overreacting at all; Stiller, like him or hate him, really can't play anyone except "that guy Ben Stiller plays," and if that guy fit in with Freaks and Geeks, he would have been there from the beginning. The scenes stick out like a sore thumb pricked by the voodoo needle of suck.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Stiller's appearance is enough to ruin anything for me. Still, the idea of the bodyguard breaking down suddenly and then ken's initial reaction (like you mentioned, NA) came off as unusually corny for such a great show. Also, I hate Ben Stiller. His evil presence is always enough to remind me that all good things must come to an end - i.e. humanity.

(xpost - tep i love u and i kiss u)

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

What I've learned from the commentary so far: The actor who plays Harris showed up at a blind casting call and they loved him so much that they created the role of Harris for him. However, he is Canadian, so they had to go through all this legal hassle (including getting members of the cast to write letters to various officials saying he was the only actor who could play the part) to get him to California. He didn't arrive until they were already filming the pilot. But it was worth it, because Harris rules.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

What the fuck, I am the worst writer ever.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Harris? Who is that?

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

The guy who always gives the geeks advice, with the wispy moustache. He's the dungeonmaster in the last episode.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, ok. He reminds me of this kid Mario who I went to high school with, so my brain has never made any attempt to learn his name. That guy is great. Apatow actually mentions in his Onion AV Club interview how he prefers to mold a character around the actor and not vice versa, which is probably a key to his success (relatively speaking, as most people would think him fairly unsuccessful).

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

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