i think there's some undeniable Funkadelic influence in Prince's synth work but he was also using the synth a lot in place of where other funk/R&B acts had a horn section
― some dude, Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:47 PM
otm -- JOdy Rosen brought up this point in Slate's podcast yesterday iirc
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 April 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link
that basically was one of the 2 or 3 core markers of the mpls sound - synths replace brass
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 April 2016 18:56 (eight years ago) link
well brass + saxes
u no what eye mean
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 April 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link
surprised that geraldo rivera wasn't present when they drilled into prince's vault
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link
...and all they find were some dusty unused purple condoms and some spare parts to a drum machine.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
and several crates of Appolonia and Nona Gaye long boxes
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:01 (eight years ago) link
(i wonder if any under-35 ILXORs will get the geraldo rivera joke)
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:02 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, Prince rated Numan highly in the early '80s, and the feeling was mutual if eye recall. 'We Take Mystery (To Bed)' has some Prince-like elements 2 it.
Eye'd avoid the Prince covers Numan did in the early '90s, mind. His version 'o' 'U Got The Look' is fucking terrible.
― 2rrican (Turrican), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
i think avoiding 1990s gary numan is probably a good idea in general :(
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:05 (eight years ago) link
Numan is really happy playing goth buttrock and I'm glad he's happy but yeah dnw
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link
― Radio Free European Son (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:16 (eight years ago) link
dear god if only i were qualified to answer that question ;_;
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:17 (eight years ago) link
i got it
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:25 (eight years ago) link
― ejemplo (crüt), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:26 (eight years ago) link
I don't think anyone should be shocked by any influence on any act. Neil Young swears by Randy Bachman. Does anyone talk about Randy Bachman? Doesn't really matter. I have no doubt Prince was every bit as into George Harrison as he was (Santana era, I assume) Neil Schon or Joni Mitchell. Or, per that above link, Billy Gibbons or anyone else.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link
I got it, too, even if I flashed on an old Bloom County strip en route to getting it.
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:31 (eight years ago) link
Wasn't Prince married again after Mayte? Her name was Manuela I think?
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:34 (eight years ago) link
apropo of nothing: of prince's minimalist-funk tracks, i really like "new position." wtf is that repeated sound on the one and the two, which sounds a little like a steel drum but more industrial. like someone hitting a kitchen sink basin with a pair of pliers?
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:38 (eight years ago) link
I thought it was sampled steel drum. Maybe it's real steel drum!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link
in a fit of desperation I watched that episode of the New Girl that Prince was on. That show is terrible but Prince was funny.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:54 (eight years ago) link
I think somebody mentioned above that the steel drum sound was a Fairlight preset? I like to imagine a real steel drum myself, I LOVE that sound
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:03 (eight years ago) link
"Does anyone talk about Randy Bachman?"
uh, well...now that you mention it...
― scott seward, Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:04 (eight years ago) link
I think somebody mentioned above that the steel drum sound was a Fairlight preset?
that wasn't verified although it very well could be
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:05 (eight years ago) link
apparently there's an unreleased version of that song with a full orchestra on it? wtf
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:06 (eight years ago) link
he had to try a new position!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:07 (eight years ago) link
A Clare Fischer arrangement no doubt
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:13 (eight years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, April 28, 2016 3:17 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
on the current they told a story about the station manager going to paisley park to hear a new track and he made some offhand crack about grand funk railroad and prince admonished him and said grand funk was great and then played "foot stompin' music" for him
― rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:30 (eight years ago) link
The demos for Parade that are out there have Clare Fischer all over "I Wonder U" and some other tunes but not on "New Position".
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:57 (eight years ago) link
this says it was Clare: http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=New_Position
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:00 (eight years ago) link
Sorry - the version of NP on that boot has no Clare F - as opposed to the version on Parade. Prince sings on it as well I think.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:02 (eight years ago) link
Fuck - i'm confused. I meant I Wonder U.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:03 (eight years ago) link
Chemtrails dept:
Sometimes it Snows in April recorded 4/21/1986Prince rushed to hospital with heart palpitations 4/21/1996Prince dies 4/21/2016
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:05 (eight years ago) link
Charade
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:07 (eight years ago) link
sometimes it snows in April was in 1985
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:08 (eight years ago) link
(xpost) That's insane.
Has anyone seen the pic posted today (?) of P buying his last music - I'm assuming - at Electric Fetus in MN? He seems super humble. No entourage. No smiling gawkers standing around taking his pic (not counting the possibly smiling gawker who took said photo).
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:10 (eight years ago) link
Interview with Randy Bachman in which he discusses his personal relationship with three guitar greats: http://www.gibson.com/news-lifestyle/features/en-us/randy-bachman-0616.aspx
My neighbor went to college with Clare Fischer's son and told me sometimes he would see Brent Fischer walking around campus with shades on, looking haggard. When asked what was up he invariably answered that he had just gotten some Prince demos the day before that he had to stay up all night transcribing for his dad.
― Radio Free European Son (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:15 (eight years ago) link
Haha 85 of course. Still... 4/21
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:15 (eight years ago) link
yeah that is crazy
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:16 (eight years ago) link
I don't actually know much about Clare Fischer at all besides his Prince work. It sounds like they had a really smooth detached working relationship.
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:17 (eight years ago) link
Ahem- Charade leads to something.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:17 (eight years ago) link
I figured. And am excited. But on my phone at the moment.
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:18 (eight years ago) link
xpost Funny Bachman should mention Lenny Breau, he's another guitar great a lot of Canadian musicians cite. I think Danko and Helm played with him early on Anyway, I think he had a serious drug problem and ended his career playing with Anne Murray.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:22 (eight years ago) link
Dig in at yr leisure.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:22 (eight years ago) link
Don't know as much about Clare Fischer as I should except that he wrote a tune called "Pensativa" that is considered a standard and at some point he operated in the area that became known as Latin Jazz. Just read that he got into R&B arranging because his nephew was the drummer for Rufus feat. Chaka Khan.
I don't think that description of Lenny Breau's final days is quite right.
― Radio Free European Son (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:32 (eight years ago) link
i'm willing to bet the sound on "new position" is a synth and not a real steel drum, because it just sounds... weird. but misidentifying sounds outside of their normal contexts is the easiest thing in the world to do, so.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:36 (eight years ago) link
just thinkin here... probably not saying anything a million people haven't said... but it seems like parade is the album where prince seems to be existing in his own universe... the sonic palette is the most idiosyncratic. he's developing experiments from earlier albums, taking them to extremes. sign of the times is a bit in this vein too, but it's more sprawling and has more stuff that feels like pastiche, or at least prince riffing on more familiar sounds rather than prince riffing on price. and by the time of lovesexy and (esp.) diamonds and pearls, prince is already kind of playing a bit of catch-up, trying to do "prince versions" of sounds reigning on the R&B charts at the time....
just spitballin.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:42 (eight years ago) link
maybe that schematic doesn't work too well, b/c batman in its own way feels very idiosyncratic, too. i guess any schematic would be confused that at this point all of prince's albums are a mix of "new" material, material that's a few years old, and slightly old material thoroughly reworked. so it's hard to make distinctions from album to album to chart a clear pattern of development. to do that you'd have to really listen to the flood of studio outtakes in chronological order.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:44 (eight years ago) link
trying to do "prince versions" of sounds reigning on the R&B charts at the time
man is this the truth. 1990 really feels like the turning point to me, where shifts in recording/instrumental technology coincided with his assembly of the NPG and both of those fed into this feeling of him trying to keep up rather than move ahead (or burrow further into his own idiosyncrasies, which up to now had kinda been the same thing). Really I just love everything up to Grafitti Bridge and then sonically and lyrically he seems to start losing his way, he never really came back and recorded an album that was enjoyable from start to finish. There were still lots of bright spots and great individual tracks, of course. But something like the song "Diamonds and Pearls" feels so compromised - there's a decent riff and melody in there, but the execution is all wrong, the lyrics are clunky as hell, and the production lacks any kind of distinctive touch, it doesn't feel lived in or fleshed out.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:49 (eight years ago) link
this feeling of him trying to keep up rather than move ahead (or burrow further into his own idiosyncrasies, which up to now had kinda been the same thing)
I'm a broken record on '90s prince but imo gold experience/come/basically any material recorded in 1993 on crystal ball tries to have it all three ways and it mostly works imo
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:54 (eight years ago) link
diamonds and pearls by contrast is a really unfocused and empty record though imo
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:55 (eight years ago) link