XTC OP10

I don't think Partridge is really much of a "shredder" either

Corgan absolutely has a sense of humor - just not about himself. Partridge does.

xp yeah Iha was 'the other songwriter' in name only. he only wrote like half a dozen songs for the Pumpkins (all of which except one were b-sides) - compared to Corgan's 300 or so.

but BC certainly alienated him... and much quicker than Partridge alienated Moulding and Gregory... I think that analogy only works for Iha really, because Jimmy and D'arcy either quit or were fired from the band at various points because of their drug problems. Chamberlin is back with the Pumpkins now, and D'arcy is open to coming back. Corgan fired her because she couldn't remember her parts.

haha well this is hardly an exact science... just mainly an idea bought on my that video and the multiple xtc and sp threads on the front page.

there was that long my history with the guitar type interview with AP that made it sound like he'd spent his early 20s reaching some sort guitar solo mild virtuoso level which he ended up finding an unsatisfying peak to be at. there are some examples of pretty amazing lead playing in xtc but I'm never sure if it's him or dave gregory

and yeah, iha as the other SP songwriter. obviously he didn't have anything like the talent or amount of record-time as colin moulding though (who I really really love). similar kind if relationship there as the two-original -members-who-stuck-together though which is maybe more of what I'm getting at.

many xposts:

Eye'll concede that they're both prolific songwriters that care about the music they make, and that they have a lot of unreleased material, but they're not the only artists 2 fall in this bracket (c also: Prince)

Corgan fired Jimmy Chamberlin, whereas Terry Chambers left and it's fair 2 say that Partridge was sad 2 c him leave. Different circumstances.

There r no electronics on Mummer, and nor does it go on 4 over 70 minutes. Corgan's version 'o' low key was anything but, even when he made his "acoustic" record, he couldn't stop being excessive. Mummer is also a far warmer LP than Adore.

Partridge was also far more charitable 2wards Moulding's songs than Corgan ever was of Iha's. Iha was never seen as an equal songwriter 2 Corgan in the Pumpkins - completely different story with Moulding.

XTC have also had far more critical kudos than the Pumpkins and what the hell is secret about Corgan's shredding!? U heard Siamese Dream recently?

ah i see, yeah totally... the only reason BC broke up the Pumpkins in 2000 was because Iha was bored with it, and he felt it would be a betrayal to go on under the same name without him. And then Iha leaves without saying goodbye to BC or Jimmy after the "final" Metro show, 4 hours on stage, 12 years of playing together, and then he just peaces. That's why I understand how vicious BC has been toward James in the press and how happy he was to have him back onstage last month - he blew up his band and his career out of loyalty to someone that didn't care in the first place. What a headfuck.

12 years 'o' being dragged around the world on a bus being driven by an egocentric baldy who wanted a monopoly on pretty much everything to 2 with the band will do that 2 a person, eye imagine.

Most 'o' the seriously technical playing 'o' XTC records is Gregory. Gregory's style was more studied, whereas Partridge's was more idiosyncratic. U can tell the difference between the way both play by listening 2 the solos at the end 'o' 'Books Are Burning' ...

And therein lies a big difference between Corgan and Partridge. Partridge allowed the rest of the band to put their own stamp on things... Gregory even doing some 'o' the string arrangements. Partridge would also praise the other band members contributions, whereas Corgan would play everything on the record apart from drums and be all like "that's me on guitar, not Iha... that great playing U hear? Yeah, that's me. Not Iha."

And Iha was meant 2 be grateful 2 Corgan 4 this? No wonder he fucked off at the end without saying goodbye.

Iha was far more loyal 2 Corgan than Corgan was 2 Iha.

tbf Iha knew the terms of the band going in - he chose that life.

Did he, now? Were U there at the band's formation? How were these "terms" dictated?

Corgan told him this is my band, I call the shots! Everyone has attested to this...

wow i think your apparent hatred of billy corgan is maybe splashing around this little thought pond more than it deserves

but yeah, i think corgan probably would've been more open for collaboration if he had different personnel in the band. for instance, he certainly let flood have a lot of say over where the music went and what songs to use and respected his opinion.

but unfortunately he didn't have colin moulding and dave gregory figures with him. james iha is a fairly bog-standard guitar player that wrote mainly fairly middling fluffy country-ish songs (well, from what i've heard one album and his SP contributions) and d'arcy... well, she played 90s alt-rock root-note bass. jimmy chamberlin he seems to revere as a player really (HE'S BEST ROCK DRUMMER IN THE WORLD FOR ALL TIME etc.)?

So if Iha was nothing more than a paid employee and was treated as such, then Corgan shouldn't piss and moan that Iha may have just been fed up with his job and didn't like the company 'o' his boss anymore. U can't be a band ran under a dictatorship and expect the cameraderie of a democracy, but full marks 2 Corgan 4 trying 2 have it both ways.

Another key difference between XTC and The Smashing Pumpkins: XTC were always a unit, even when slimmed down 2 a trio, then a duo.

Eye don't hate Billy Corgan. Eye have never met Billy Corgan. As a matter 'o' fact, eye rate a lot 'o' his music. However, eye would gladly spend a week in Partridge's company, whereas with Corgan eye think eye would last about five minutes be4 he began 2 annoy the shit out 'o' me.

yeah I would love to hang out with Andy and play his homemade board games or geek out about oddball psych records or whatever. Corgan seems like he would be such an uptight domineering jerk.

well I agree with you both there :)

young cleopatra, another great ne (along with red rocking hire) from jules vernes' sketchbook

Don't really go along with the idea that Andy Partridge is some great guy tbh.

There r no electronics on Mummer

What's this then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-XjEB3dvOg

analog synthesizers

(is my guess, not sure what the gear specifically is tbh)

Okay, so they used a Mellotron and a Prophet 5 2 add some colour. Hardly 'Pug' or 'Appels + Oranjes' is it?

Don't forget *consults Wikipedia* Steve Nye - mini-korg on "Wonderland".

Don't really go along with the idea that Andy Partridge is some great guy tbh.

― (Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Wednesday, April 27, 2016 7:18 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

me neither. he comes off like a stubborn git

Yeah, 'Wonderland' has a lot 'o' keyboards on it, but use 'o' drum machines and synths is far, far more prominent on Adore.

Last time eye heard Adore eye was struck by how lacking in warmth it is. Even the portions 'o' the record that r acoustic guitar-led or piano-led sound quite cold. If Corgan was trying 2 make a warm and intimate record, he failed miserably.

Uptight and domineering will do fine for me. (xp)

As Shakey says, eye can imagine an evening with Partridge 2 be quite a fun one... geeking out on psych records or checking out his homemade board games. Eye reckon U wouldn't even need 2 really talk about XTC. Whereas Corgan, eye expect he'd want U 2 kiss his arse 4 the duration and would get upset if U didn't.

Noted Corgan defender Flappy Bird branding Partridge a "stubborn git" is priceless whichever way U slice it.

they're both stubborn gits

snowman
all you pretty girls
i bought myself a liarbird
science friction
radios in motion
red brick dream
beating of hearts
that's really super, supergirl
are you receiving me?
making plans for nigel

Easter Theater
The Meeting Place
Summer’s Cauldron
Harvest Festival
Wrapped in Grey
The Wheel and the Maypole
Chalkhills and Children
Vanishing Girl
Brainiac’s Daughter
Making Plans for Nigel

Chalkhills and Children
Dear God
I Bought Myself A Liarbird
Life Begins At The Hop
Mermaid Smiled
Wrapped in Grey
Easter Theatre
No Language In Our Lungs
Seagulls Screaming Kiss Her Kiss Her
Ballet For A Rainy Day

The Wheel and the Maypole
Easter Theatre
Mayor of Simpleton
Sacrificial Bonfire
Earn Enough For Us
Train Running Low on Soul Coal
Love on a Farmboy's Wages
No Language In Our Lungs
Extrovert
Seagulls Screaming Kiss Her Kiss Her

OP10 B-sides:

Don't Lose Your Temper
Chain Of Command
Gold
Jump
Desert Island
Toys
Red Brick Dream
Extrovert
Terrorism (demo)
Ella Guru

Radios In-Motion
Tissue Tigers
Runaways
Towers of London
Don't Lose Your Temper
Reign of Blows
Respectable Street
That is the Way
The Rhythm
English Roundabout