Indeed
― His Royal Blecchness (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 April 2016 14:38 (eight years ago) link
He also didn't layer his guitars 40 times over.
I've been reading this about "Soma" for 20 years. I like the song but does anyone seriously hear 40 guitar parts on it? It's not exactly Branca. Or does "40 guitar overdubs" just mean that the guitar parts were comped from 40 takes? I could believe that.
― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Saturday, 23 April 2016 16:09 (eight years ago) link
In Hummer and Soma, there are forty guitar parts - a lot of those are atmospheric parts and little drop-ins. The heavy parts are overdubbed four to eight times. They're not all happening at the same time, maybe at the most there's fifteen guitar parts or layers at one point. Butch Vig talked about it online several years ago: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/q-butch-vig/398145-1993-smashing-pumpkins-siamese-dream.html
I think Soma and Hummer had closer to 40 guitar tracks. Not all playing at the same time, but there could be 8-10 overdubs in one section, then another 8-10 in a second section, etc. A lot of times we would bounce them down...like in the bow part, I think that was around 12 tracks mixed down to stereo.
Thru the Eyes of Ruby on MCIS has 56 guitar parts...Alan Moulder confirmed this in a podcast interview a year or two ago, can't find the link...
― flappy bird, Saturday, 23 April 2016 16:23 (eight years ago) link
OK, I could see how that could work if they're counting each track in each section separately. Too bad the EQ Mag link isn't working for me. I'd like to read that.
― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Saturday, 23 April 2016 16:36 (eight years ago) link
http://www.trbimg.com/img-56d4da5f/turbine/la-me-george-kennedy-obit-pictures-20160229/650/650x366Nobody can layer 40 guitars
― His Royal Blecchness (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 April 2016 16:41 (eight years ago) link
h8 those gimmick drummers with the gimmick of complementing a wide range of material with versatile creative drumming, what a one trick pony
He was replaced by a drum machine.
― Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 23 April 2016 19:18 (eight years ago) link
And that record was dogshit
― just her neck. thankig u in advance (stevie), Saturday, 23 April 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link
most of the drum tracks on adore are live
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Saturday, 23 April 2016 19:23 (eight years ago) link
yeah Matt Walker, Joey Waronker, and Matt Cameron all play on Adore.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 23 April 2016 23:07 (eight years ago) link
Don't forget:http://www.drumsoloartist.com/Site/Drummers/images/KennyAronoff.gif
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 April 2016 23:42 (eight years ago) link
he only played on the tour
― flappy bird, Saturday, 23 April 2016 23:55 (eight years ago) link
I like how BC made a riff out of distorted harmonics on "Zero".
― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Sunday, 24 April 2016 12:57 (eight years ago) link
which was why it was so difficult for me to play reading it from the tabs in Guitar magazine
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 24 April 2016 13:39 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, it's quite a neat trick. Eye seem 2 remember Corgan being interviewed 4 that Rush documentary, and Alex Lifeson plays a lot of riffs based on harmonics on stuff like 'Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemispheres' and 'Red Barchetta' ... It's possible Corgan may have picked up designing a riff around harmonics from listening 2 Rush.
― WHERE'S JIM!? (Turrican), Sunday, 24 April 2016 13:52 (eight years ago) link
i can dig this Prince-posting style
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 24 April 2016 13:54 (eight years ago) link
The Kor the <3 Music
― PiL Communication (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 April 2016 13:56 (eight years ago) link
I could see that. There's a striking distinction for me in that "Red Barchetta" is based on the 2nd to 4th harmonics (12th, 7th, and 5th frets), which give you octaves and fifths that are not too far from their equal-tempered counterparts. "Zero" uses the 5th, 6th, and 7th harmonics, including a just M3 and just m7 that are more distant from equal temperament. Obv, at the same time, it's more simple-minded: he just slid his finger along that stretch of the string with a tonne of distortion.
2xp OTM re posting style!
― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Sunday, 24 April 2016 14:02 (eight years ago) link
what the hell is the solo to "Zero" btw. like it's this out of key weird alien sounding thing. have always liked it but didn't know if it was just achieved with a fuck ton of pedal effects or if he was just mashing frets in the 22 - 24s and bending them weirdly
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 24 April 2016 14:04 (eight years ago) link
Feel like this thread has lost sight of it's original focus guys. Can we bring it back to stupid things Billy Corgans says/has said? Thanks.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 24 April 2016 14:28 (eight years ago) link
"what the hell is the solo to "Zero" btw. like it's this out of key weird alien sounding thing. have always liked it but didn't know if it was just achieved with a fuck ton of pedal effects or if I was just mashing frets in the 22 - 24s and bending them weirdly"
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 24 April 2016 14:29 (eight years ago) link
- Blind Willy Corgs
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 24 April 2016 14:30 (eight years ago) link
It's a shame 2 c both 'U Hurt Me Deeply' and 'What Sign R U?' get no votes in hindsight.
― WHERE'S JIM!? (Turrican), Sunday, 24 April 2016 14:34 (eight years ago) link
Well first is better when you add "in my heart" so I get that one (esp. when you imagine him tapping the Superman S on his chest).
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 24 April 2016 14:36 (eight years ago) link
'What Sign R U?' would make a great Prince song title, come 2 think of it.
― WHERE'S JIM!? (Turrican), Sunday, 24 April 2016 18:20 (eight years ago) link
― Neanderthal, Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:04 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's one of James' rare shining moments in a SP studio recording. painstakingly pieced together, and yeah it's run through like half a dozen harmonizers and pitch shifters
― flappy bird, Monday, 25 April 2016 21:58 (eight years ago) link
"Zero" is a remarkably powerful and compact song, their shortest epic. one of his most distinctive riffs, for sure. lots of layering going on with the rhythm tracks:
"Zero" We like to call this style of our music "Cybermetal." "Zero" has six rhythm guitars, with two line-in 12-string acoustics, plus those wacky Iha leads. Tracked live with overdubs added later, this is a true mover as well as the first song that was recorded for Mellon Collie, James has always said this reminds him of Judas Priest.
http://www.starla.org/articles/gw5.htm
― flappy bird, Monday, 25 April 2016 22:00 (eight years ago) link
I actually bought that issue of GW!
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 25 April 2016 23:39 (eight years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/65426-billy-corgan-disses-bernie-sanders-on-conspiracy-theorist-radio-show/?mbid=social_facebook
― how's life, Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:28 (seven years ago) link
ok now he's gone too far
― Sharia Laws and Lambchop (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:37 (seven years ago) link
why Prince and not this jackass
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 May 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link
if we had to lose one chemtrails believer...
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 21:51 (seven years ago) link
Why does he look like a hobo
― Pentenema Karten, Thursday, 12 May 2016 23:01 (seven years ago) link
sometimes hobos have valid ideas. See: Regis Philbin, Kenneth Arrow, Charlotte Bronte
― Poliopolice, Friday, 13 May 2016 00:00 (seven years ago) link
Regis Philbin was invented by a hobo?!
― sisterhood of the baggering vance (Doctor Casino), Friday, 13 May 2016 02:28 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMc2x8DZLZc
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 May 2016 02:34 (seven years ago) link
http://boingboing.net/2016/05/13/billy-corgan-upset-that.html
Billy Corgan upset that "the wrong racial epithet" could destroy his career
― ejemplo (crüt), Friday, 13 May 2016 13:43 (seven years ago) link
billy-corgan-upset
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Friday, 13 May 2016 13:44 (seven years ago) link
When was the last time you saw a hobo with a monogrammed hat?
― Sam Weller, Friday, 13 May 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
welcome to Boston
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Friday, 13 May 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link
to be fair, we do have some weird problem in our society where we say that people are the worst things they've ever done or said. It's not a great way to view the world, in my opinion.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 13 May 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
heresy
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 May 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link
we have this other problem with white bros who are preemptively worried that if they start spewing some racist garbage they might get their feet held to the fire a little instead of just given the "aww, Billy, he's just being Billy! let the man have his epithets, after all he's made so much terrible music!" treatment
― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 13 May 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
Billy's just such a pathetic fucking dweeb.
― Elvis Santana (stevie), Friday, 13 May 2016 19:48 (seven years ago) link
Going after that Gamergate dollar like a chump.
― Elvis Santana (stevie), Friday, 13 May 2016 19:49 (seven years ago) link
so i ended up falling in this alex jones hole because of corgan and anyway i found this crazy ass sequence where he went on a reverie to The Doors and I ended up making a negativland type LA Woman/Alex Jones thing....the last 2 minutes when it's just him is stunning radio
http://soundcloud.com/matthew-lee-helgeson/mojowars-feat-al3x-j0n3s-the-d00rs
― rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 May 2016 19:48 (seven years ago) link
Love this - great job! Rich lung cleanse baritone, just like Morrison.
― BlackIronPrison, Monday, 16 May 2016 19:54 (seven years ago) link
the power of DNA force
― rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 May 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link
billy corgan has a career?
― Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Monday, 16 May 2016 21:40 (seven years ago) link
SP sorta flies under the radar these days but they sell out every place they play. granted, those are 2,000-5,000 seat theaters, but he's doing pretty good for himself. fwiw, this latest run of In Plainsong shows was the best he's sounded in years.
― flappy bird, Monday, 16 May 2016 22:30 (seven years ago) link
so basically, he is at the same stage of his career now as the guy from styx was in 1992
― Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Monday, 16 May 2016 22:47 (seven years ago) link