Warren Beatty, washing machine

nah, i like that stuff. go big or go home!

I think Ishtar was drubbed because losing money is a surefire way to get hated in Hollywood. When they put up big upfront $$ they demand big $$ results.

i remember laughing fitfully for the first 45 minutes of Ishtar, and not much after that.

also i love Elaine May, but her working 'methods' seem utterly nuts esp in postproduction

I want to see Ishtar. I have Mikey And Nicky here waiting to be watched, too.

mikey and nicky is great. ishtar has become kind of overrated as an overcorrection in some quarters though not nearly as much as say heaven's gate. it received a high degree of notoriety as a flop because it had a long and troubled production so the pump was primed, it was dustin hoffman's first movie since tootsie and warren beatty's first movie since reds so it was kind of an event and frankly there were alot of ppl ready to take joy in those two flopping esp w/ beatty, who still had a kind of aura around him as not just a movie star (esp since around this time his buddy gary hart looked like he would be the next president). town and country (look it up) was a bigger disaster on all counts but by then america had moved on to ben affleck for their smug pretty boy kicks so instead of talking about town and country we talk about gigli.

don't forget Love Affair.

Stevie, if you have Mikey and Nicky to watch on this UK DVD, I would hold off - the image quality is atrocious, and utterly ruins the film:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mikey-Nicky-DVD-Peter-Falk/dp/B000062Y53?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

Mickey One is fascinating btw

A good while back I caught on tv a good chunk of $ (Dollars), an early 70s German-set heist movie w/Beatty, Goldie Hawn, and a bunch of local character actors who appeared to be waiting for Fassbinder to cast them in something. Was intriguing, but I've yet to revisit.

I notice that one of the main actors is the dude from "The Goalkeeper's Fear of the Penalty Kick".

Ishtar also cost whatever ($100 million?) and no one under 30 wanted to see a big-budget spin on Hope & Crosby.

Isn't odd that there's only one mention way up top of Splendor in the Grass? William Inge is kind of the quintessential acclaimed middlebrow dramatist of that era, but it's quite a time capsule of how sex & youth was regarded in 1961.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/53/44/af/5344af1a97cae14b50f86cdf871cbc9b.jpg

thanks for the warning Ward!

gets a title & a release date

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1974420/

Bening, Alec Baldwin, Haley Bennett, Candice Bergen, Matthew Broderick, Dabney Coleman, Steve Coogan, Taissa Farmiga, Ed Harris, Megan Hilty, Oliver Platt, and Martin Sheen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1JrMOiG5hc

I get the distinct impression that the actors making that movie had a lot more fun making it than any of its viewers will have in viewing it.

“Peter Lawford invited Beatty out to his house in Malibu for a night of tacos and poker, and Monroe was there. ‘I hadn’t seen anything that beautiful,’ Beatty recalls. She invited him to take a walk along the beach, which he did.”

In a presumed reference to their stroll. Beatty tells Kashner “it was more soulful than romantic.”

“Back in the house he played the piano. Marilyn sat on the edge of the piano in something so clingy that Beatty could tell she wasn’t wearing underwear. ‘How old are you?’ she asked. ‘Twenty-five,’ he answered. ‘How old are you?” he asked cheekily. ‘Three…six,’ she said, as if not wanting to bring the two numbers together.

“By then the tacos had arrived, and no one really played poker that night. Warren noticed that Marilyn was already a bit tipsy from champagne, even before the sun had set.

“The next day Harold Mirisch, brother of the producer Walter Mirisch, called. ‘Did you hear?’ he asked. ‘Marilyn Monroe is dead.’ Warren was one of the last people to see Marilyn alive — a story Beatty tells only reluctantly.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/10/warren-beatty-interview

He doesn’t smoke or drink and has taken good care of himself over the decades. “If you see pictures of me smoking,” he said as we drove up the canyon, “I was acting. What I do like very much is the smell of cigar smoke.” He had the distinction of being sent a box of cigars by none other than Fidel Castro, who admired Reds. “They were just unbelievable. I smoked one every night after dinner, and I talked until four A.M.”...

“There’s this misapprehension that it’s a biopic,” Beatty explains, “which it’s not, although Howard is an important character in it. I wanted to do a story about a girl who comes from being the Apple Blossom Queen of Winchester, Virginia [Marla Mabrey, played by Lily Collins], and a boy who is a Methodist from Fresno [Frank Forbes, played by Alden Ehrenreich], who is under the same religious influences that I was raised in. I wanted to do a story about that young man and that young woman that also deals with money and misogyny in late-1950s Hollywood.”

One doesn’t immediately associate Beatty with puritanical guilt and repression, but that is the world he grew up in, in conservative Virginia in the 1940s and 50s, and the one he has rebelled against his entire life. “I’m afraid it still remains a big subject in America,” he says, “which often makes us the laughingstock of France and other European countries. So I thought this would be fun to deal with—a young man and a young woman involved with an unpredictable billionaire, who had no rules he had to follow because of his inheritance and his way of life. So it’s also about the effect of Hollywood on those rules, and the effect of money.”

which often makes us the laughingstock of France and other European countries. So I thought this would be fun to deal wit

who gives a fuck what France thinks about us lol

The story of a young man coming to Hollywood from a conservative background is one he knows all too well. He and his sister, the actress Shirley MacLaine, were raised by Southern Baptist parents.

wow how the hell did i never know this?

I will never know why so women found Beatty hot. I don't see or feel it. Good hair though!

this is still my favorite lyric from "we didn't start the fire"

wow how the hell did i never know this?

I've always been fascinated by this tidbit. both seem like p fucked up people tbh

They lived in my neighborhood, and went to my daughter's school.

ever classy Shakes. i think the fact that they are alive and functioning after 60 years in that whirlpool attests to some sort of tenacious strength.

lookin fwd to the film

also WB praised his transgender son as a hero in that profile

beatty seems pretty chill, seems to have had an enviable life and career if that's the kind of life and career you're going for.

lol sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities Morbz, my wife just finished Shirley's daughter's autobio which does not paint a flattering portrait. I am a big fan of both of their bodies of work in general fwiw.

i'm sure Shirl can be a pain in the ass, i watched Letterman

less pain in the ass and more like narcissistic dimbulb

Shirley MacLaine is cool

that movie is already gone from NYC. The box office numbers are really awful.

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Rules-Dont-Apply#tab=box-office

I missed the screening; saw the Annette Bening motherhood '70s movie instead. Not sure I chose wisely.

The film ended up grossing $1.6 million in its opening weekend (with a five-day total of $2.2 million), finishing 12th at the box office. It marked the worst Thanksgiving debut ever for a wide release and 6th worst opening ever for a film playing in more than 2,000 theaters.

saw the Annette Bening motherhood '70s movie instead. Not sure I chose wisely.

this is like a rock v hard place deal except neither choice is as interesting as a rock

Rules Don't Apply
Budget: $25,000,000
Gross: $3,580,979

Ishtar [adjusted for inflation]
Budget: $117,034,290
Gross: $30,588,910

(I know he didn't direct the latter, but just for comparison's sake.)

$25M is low-budget for a period piece.

I've been meaning to watch Reds for years and years. I'm unlikely to have 4 hours to spare to watch it in one go, would it ruin it if I tried to watch it episodically?

if you must, I would go with halves; there's an intermission. It's only 3:20.

That sounds do-able, thanks Morbs.

Rules is not bad! All three principals are pretty good, in fact. Steve Coogan has one very funny scene in a cockpit while HH sings a Jolson medley.

Steve Mnuchin was a producer and has a wordless cameo (alongside a small gem of an Oliver Platt performance).

Beatty literally closes the curtain on his career in his last scene, works as a masked autobiography in many ways.

80 today!

the Karl story:

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/02/warren-beatty-pauline-kael-love-and-money

didn't know the lead actress in RDA was Paperlate's daughter

good take here:

http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Movies/2016/1123/Rules-Don-t-Apply-Warren-Beatty-s-directorial-return-is-disarmingly-light

rewatched Dick Tracy; love Pacino, Headly, the production design/effects and most of the jokes.

don't like La Ciccone and the loudness/replication of Burton's Batman in the last half hour (down to Elfman scoring it).

this is the best Sondheim song in it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDUZgORmrSY

Yeah thats about how i feel about it too

Madonna has one good line reading where she sez about the Kid "What a cute little boy," like she wants to smother him.

She is a terrible actress

well she's not even a compelling presence in this

This works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJN5DO4Lvx0