Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

It doesn't? I could swear it's a 3-4 episode arc.

It literally does last for several episodes

Lol xp

Windom Earle is probably the thing I dislike most from the 2nd season, and it's from the part where the show found its footing again in terms of having a direction beyond like "cooper is suspended or whatever". The few episodes immediately post-reveal are rudderless and rough as hell (the writers were totally dropped in the shit, with TWO central plotlines scotched - the murder mystery and the romance that had been built up for a season and a half - and the creators just ditched them) but I don't dislike them. Soaps are supposed to be drifty! The mayor is hilarious, dick is great, the hornes are great, Denise is great, ernie is great, Norma's mother comes to stay. The black widow sucks and the James plot sucks.

I agree w all that. well, maybe not the Denise part.

What's bad about this segment of the show is how decisively it shrinks from the implications of the reveal imo, the film was a necessary corrective in that regard and I hope the new season continues that thread

Btw another weird coincidence I found a copy of the secret diary in a 2nd hand bookshop a few hours ago, been reading it

I love this show. Ready to get in a fistfight about it at this point

I would like to insert my annual affidavit here to the effect that the secret diary of Laura Palmer was surprisingly great and ppl should absolutely read it as part of their TP rewatchings.

Lol xpost!!!

the windom earle plot was just awful

the comic plots in the 2nd season are easier to ridicule, but with some exceptions they are harmless and diverting, as opposed to some of the more 'serious' plots (the drug bust at the brothel, windom earle) that are completely uninspired and thus genuinely depressing.

i still like the 'look' of twin peaks, although obv the lynch-directed episodes are in another league from the others. (the diane keaton one being particularly embarrassing.)

my partner watched the whole series a few years ago, and i joined her -- i'd seen it several times, she had never seen it. once we got to a certain point in the 2nd season i just couldn't will myself to follow it along with her as i had.

i do think people overstate how terrible it is, since 'the 2nd season sucked' has become a kind of canard (to be honest it wasn't as obvious as it was happening back in the early 1990s). but that doesn't mean it's particularly good.

on the other hand, some of the non-lynch-directed first season episodes are a little flimsy, too!

the writers were totally dropped in the shit, with TWO central plotlines scotched - the murder mystery and the romance that had been built up for a season and a half - and the creators just ditched them

uh what? the creators were forced to reveal the killer due to studio pressure i thought. David Lynch has said it was the worst idea ever, like killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

the writers had so much to work with. all those wonderful characters that had these relationships with each other. what's up with the Bobby-Laura-Shelly love triangle hinted at in the first season? they just completely forget about it. the only time we see the high school is for Nadine's ridiculous plot. it feels like on the whole there were a lot of things set up that they just tossed away in favor of new plots. Andy and Peggy's romance was just fine and far more believable and interesting in the first season than when Dick shows up like a broadly mugging guest star out of a 50s sitcom.

Audrey's character change from Seasons 1 to 2 is the difference between 2D and 3D

it's like everyone is now a plot device in "their" "new" "stories"

A straight S1 vs S2 comparison isn't terribly fair, considering S1 had 8 episodes (including pilot) and S2 had 22.

IMO it makes more sense to think of S2 as 3 separate seasons, with S2 ending either at the Lynch directed reveal or 2 eps later with Leland's death, S3 the much hated middle stretch, and S4 beginning around when Cole returns and Cooper gets his suit back.

Taken that way, S2 is just as good if not better than S1, S3 mostly sucks and S4 is not as bad as S3 but with a superb ending.

i think we can get even more granular here. start rating these episodes by the minute

that s2 would absolutely be better than s1.And it's about as long iirc

xxxp, sorry, bad writing. when I said the creators "ditched them", I meant the writers (by withdrawing from the show). After the two main storylines had been scotched by the network (murder mystery) and a couple of the actors (romance)

(as in, the creators ditched the writers)

That's how it felt to me anyway, the huge drop in quality comes straight after Leland's death, that's when the fast forward buttons started getting used during my rewatch.

If not for the season ending cliffhangers in the first season, if I watched the series all the way through with no prior knowledge and was asked "where do you think S1 ended and S2 began?", the funeral episode and subsequent sub-plot explosion would be my guess.

Worst ongoing plotline in the second season of Twin Peaks (SPOILERS)

windom earle is classic you silly sods

Ahh. Windom Earle was set up pretty well. Seemed really dark and mysterious... and then he shows up.

the worst bit of twin peaks is anything to do with the Packards. I always want to die when those bits start happening.

I like wyndham's disguises. especially the scene where he dresses as a librarian.

Ha. I link to that ILX "worst TP subplot" thread was included in the recent Pitchfork review for the Xiu Xiu plays Twin Peaks record.

Cool album too btw.

Agree about the Packards. Bored by that always in S1 and S2.

I like wyndham's disguises. especially the scene where he dresses as a librarian.

Windom! Spell it right, i.e wrong.

Winda' Merle, iirc?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Windham1985logo.jpg

"uh what? the creators were forced to reveal the killer due to studio pressure i thought"

oddly, these days, I think network tv wouldn't do that. that awful show pretty little liars staggered along for something like 6 seasons before revealing the killer, apparently (and when they did everyone was pissed).

been following the dugpa site message board; filming wrapped on season3 (and season4, it sounds like...and showtime is actually saying 'the first two seasons of the revival' so maybe there will be even more to come). Audrey returned; she posted a photo in costume on FB a few weeks ago. Been a few interesting leaked set photos but no major spoilers.

oh except that Robert Forster is playing Truman.

Splitting what they filmed so far into two seasons is ok

Hit post too early

...but I hope they don't press their luck & spin it out too long

that's the same board I

God my phone sucks

Had been looking at but stopped when it became spoilery

other than a few casting things and a couple of shots of scenes (one at a particular house, involving two particular people) almost nothing has leaked that tells you very much at all. I'm impressed how well Lynch and Co have kept a lid on this.

oh except that Robert Forster is playing Truman.

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truman or just another sheriff?

he is playing truman.

they have released the full cast list:

http://deadline.com/2016/04/twin-peaks-full-cast-david-lynch-showtime-series-1201743122/

Biggest surprises: No Michael Anderson; Duchovney is back!; Catherine Coulson !.

i had forgotten that michael cera was involved, but trent reznor is as well!?

Coulson got to film some scenes before she passed? Really glad to hear that.

also no Moira Kelly or Lara Flynn Boyle so I guess Donna is dead; or recast again.

Monica Bellucci!

Eddie Vedder is taking over as Donna iirc.

I saw this on the list:

Makinen, Karl
Malone

and I was briefly elated but ultimately deflated once I realized it was just a conflation in my brain.

Max Perlich is a good choice. Wish Lynch had utilized him back in the '90s.

is it just me or is that cast incredibly massive?

Struycken, Carel
Strobel, Al

:-)

it is insanely massive, some of these people will prob be onscreen for about as long as william h macy in inland empire

ha i can't remember william h macy being in that

he played the announcer on Diane Ladd's Hollywood talk show, he was onscreen for about 10 seconds

no buchanan ! dud