I was thinking the other day about Rick Remender's additions to the mutant/Avengers stories and all told, I think it worked pretty well? He grabbed The World from Morrison's run, added the character of Father, and then managed to spin it into at least two different stories -- the accelerated time X-Force/Apocalypse thing, and the android ascension, tied to the original Human Torch, story in the Secret Avengers plot. And then he kind of merged the two -- with Deathloks!
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 14 April 2016 14:50 (eight years ago) link
for all the (deserved IMO) press Hickman gets, Remender did some stuff that was equally impressive in that same time frame IMO
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:05 (eight years ago) link
i'm way behind on avengers / x-men but that sounds agreeably batshit
I really liked remender's 'captain America gains a son in another dimension' arc
― a lad of balls (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:08 (eight years ago) link
Yes. The first stretch of his Marvel Now! Cap and Uncanny Avengers runs are all the Remender I've read, somehow. Oh, and his brief Secret Avengers run! That was good, too. I guess he's done with Marvel for the time being?
― I Pith On Your Quip (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:13 (eight years ago) link
I think Hickman is a bit better at that thing, at creating his own little fiefdom over several titles with Manifolds, Doctor Dooms, Sols Hammers, and all that. But yeah, Remender definitely was good at it as well. I did not read anything he did after AvX, though, is it good?
Gillen's work with Loki is up there as well.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:16 (eight years ago) link
I'm still very impressed with the worldbuilding in Pak's Planet Hulk et al. When I first saw the attendant handbook, it seemed clear that the dude had spent like the five previous years prepping his Hulk pitch.
― I Pith On Your Quip (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:22 (eight years ago) link
And Abnett and Lanning's cosmic stuff! It's been a good era for big stories.
― I Pith On Your Quip (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:23 (eight years ago) link
Axis was ehhh, but I can let that go
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:26 (eight years ago) link
The big problem with Axis was that it went on for waaaay too long (and I think everyone forgot that Havok was still inverted before the universe blew up)
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:29 (eight years ago) link
the inversion thing was pretty half-assed, I have the feeling it was pitched and a few projects (Iron Man, Carnage) were spun off, a few characters were conveniently changed for use in different titles (Sabretooth) and the rest of it was just kind of hand-wavey
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:33 (eight years ago) link
I also thought it was incredibly poor timing to have the mantle of Captain America pass over to Sam Wilson just in time to turn him into an honorless, murdering bastard as part of a widely-hyped company-wide crossover.
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:35 (eight years ago) link
very bad
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:36 (eight years ago) link
I mean, between that and launching a limited series by Jeph Loeb titled "CAPTAIN AMERICA: WHITE" it was an amazing time for ill-advised editorial direction
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:37 (eight years ago) link
I stared at that solicitation for so long, trying to convince myself it was a joke
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:38 (eight years ago) link
Remender's X-FORCE was great but I can't believe you guys liked anything else he touched. Total blind squirrel finding a nut situation.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:38 (eight years ago) link
His Uncanny Avengers didn't end well but I enjoyed most of it. It was also MILES BETTER than the current incarnation, which appears to assume that everyone involved has had serious head trauma that has left them unable to not make the shittiest possible choice for any given situation.
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:43 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, compared to the shit dribble of the current Avengers continuum its passable but that's a damn low bar.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:45 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, tried a few Remender issues of the Avengers (storyline involving the Red Skull?), and they weren't for me at all - thought they were badly written just in terms of the dialogue/captions, never mind the clunky plotting, and he didn't seem to have any real feel for the characters at all (but I'm a Bendis Avengers stan, which seems to put me v much in the minority here)
― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:47 (eight years ago) link
Btw who other than Al Ewing is doing this world building stuff at the moment?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:48 (eight years ago) link
The following, from the letters page of this month's All New Hawkeye, maybe sums up what a clusterfuck Marvel is just now.
So there you have it, the end of All New Hawkeye by Jeff Lemire and Ramon Perez. I know what you're thinking: "What?! They can't go!! Those guys just got here!!" I know, I know... I had the same reaction at first. Chill. Though this is technically issue #6 of our series, it's really more like part 11 of an (almost) yearlong story that Jeff and aragon wanted to tell. If you've been reading Hawkeye since Matt Fraction and David Aja's run...or if you've been reading since Jeff and Ramon's first issue... or if you've been reading since their second first issue... we thank you for joining us for this ride.
If you've been reading Hawkeye since Matt Fraction and David Aja's run...or if you've been reading since Jeff and Ramon's first issue... or if you've been reading since their second first issue... we thank you for joining us for this ride.
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Monday, 25 April 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103503/3744893-face+palm.png
― wario testino (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 April 2016 20:26 (seven years ago) link
Not sure you know, but that Loeb series fits in with other origin tales he has done with Tim Sale. The Hulk one is Green, the Spider-man is Blue and the Daredevil was Yellow (as in his original costume.). There was a first issue of that Cap series published like 5 years ago, so Sale must have finally finished the rest.
― earlnash, Monday, 25 April 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link
I guess there was a "preview issue" in 2008, but yeah, I think we're all aware it's a thematic thing
The fact they released the real series years later implies it's not really contingent on continuity and could be released at any time which actually kind of makes it _worse_ that they decided the right time to release it was when the titular Captain America was a black man
it just sat around for eight years, couldn't it wait another year or so?
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 25 April 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
Or been burned in a heap along with everything else Loeb ever wrote? Is that really too much to ask?
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 April 2016 21:54 (seven years ago) link
can we have an international ilx meetup to burn our copies of jeph loeb comics? i feel like it'd be theraputic for all of us
― wario testino (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 13:45 (seven years ago) link
I might not have any, at least in print
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 13:47 (seven years ago) link
I have at least the first three of his Challengers Of The Unknown miniseries, nothing since that
― glandular lansbury (sic), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 13:50 (seven years ago) link
i can lend you some for the occasion, no problem
― wario testino (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 13:50 (seven years ago) link
Cannot unsee Ultimatum
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 14:28 (seven years ago) link
Burn my eyes
TASTES LIKE CHICKEN
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 14:35 (seven years ago) link
I feel like the comics he's best known for are mostly just origin retellings or by-the-numbers plots that drop in the most well-known allies/villains with the "this is character X who acts in this way and progresses the plot by doing what they always do, in a way that ties back to the main antagonist"
which is, to be fair, a lot of non-Loeb comics but it really highlights how quickly he goes off the rails when he doesn't retell stories
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 14:37 (seven years ago) link
Old Lunch otm
I will reiterate the props I've formerly given to Loeb for Ultimate X, which was good (with beautiful Art Adams art) and which redeemed like .00001% of the soul he tarnished so thoroughly by writing Ultimatum.
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 14:43 (seven years ago) link
(It was more than a little jarring to see Loeb briefly on the rails and realize that he can actually write competently if he wants to. But I guess trying is hard or something.)
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 14:45 (seven years ago) link
turns out I've been Loeb-free for 25 years (had seen Teen Wolf previously)
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/05/11/comics-you-should-own-flashback-challengers-of-the-unknown-1-8/
those Baker and Hempel covers tho
― glandular lansbury (sic), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 15:58 (seven years ago) link
Never forget that Loeb wrote Commando. Yes, the Schwarzenegger movie.
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 16:39 (seven years ago) link
the musculature and body poses of both cap and falcon is absolutely kraken me up herehttp://i.cdn.turner.com/tntla/images/portal/10108/37298/75244/2412122.jpg
― ulysses, Friday, 29 April 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link
like how deep is the spandex into the creases of those guys quads
Good ol' Bart Sears. I remember when he was the 'realistic' alternative in a sea of Liefeld-a-likes.
I wonder what caused Sam's muscles to start melting.
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Friday, 29 April 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link
Justice League Europe was one of the first superhero comics I ever bought, so I'll always have time for Bart Sears, and his steroidal duck faces.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 29 April 2016 23:18 (seven years ago) link
This guy is like the Todd Van Der Werff of awful comics writing:
http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/captain-america-takedown-apology.html#
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 6 May 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link
here's a pair of pages from Marvel's Planned Parenthood promotional comic from 1976, "The Amazing Spider Man vs The Prodigy".Different times.http://i.imgur.com/4XVl0mg.png
― ulysses, Friday, 13 May 2016 14:57 (seven years ago) link
I just got a vivid image of Spidey swinging into a music venue and pulling the plug on a mind control device just before the Prodigy launched into their new hit single, 'Knock My Bitch Up'.
― Peanut Duck (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 May 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link
I scanned across that image for "twisted firestarter", didn't find it, closed tab
― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Friday, 13 May 2016 15:09 (seven years ago) link
spidey discovers the contemporary pro life conservative agendahttp://i.imgur.com/IL7Moz0.png
― ulysses, Friday, 13 May 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
Just read Millar's Civil War for the first time - the digital version was on sale. What an incredible piece of garbage! I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. But still -- baffled why anyone would choose to film it -- the story just turns all your faves into gigantic murdering arseholes. (I assume the movie is much better.)
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 13 May 2016 15:45 (seven years ago) link
clicked through just long enough to check it was Abraham Riesman
― glandular lansbury (sic), Friday, 13 May 2016 15:56 (seven years ago) link
tbf, he's an even worse television writer
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, May 13, 2016 4:45 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That's Millar's shtick all over, isn't it. Everyone's either a psychotic arsehole or a victim of needless cruelty.
The film is nothing like that, thankfully.
― Pheeel, Saturday, 14 May 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link