"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

This seems schizophrenic in nature.

― Treeship, Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:58 AM (6 hours ago)

Careful, Treeshy. I get what you're saying here but... just be careful.

But yes, it's fascinating in its bizarreness. I do love the idea that the corrupt and evil conspiracy that runs the entire world will just leave you alone if you declare your contract void. Right. Also the completely made up etymologies are brilliant.

The stories of "success" are interesting too, as a) these are mostly privileged white people being let off for minor driving infractions, and b) half of them actually aren't "let off" without a family member or friend bailing them out, but it's still seen as a success story.

Would I be generalising too much if I were to suggest that the whole freemen idea is something only stupid, pugnacious white people are into?

no

although: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/fck-this-court-i-am-justice-woman-uncorks-berserk-legal-rant-after-civil-rights-suit-tossed/

they really think laws are like spells or something

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 7, 2016 3:26 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've been saying this since Max's article! Spells!

Would I be generalising too much if I were to suggest that the whole freemen idea is something only stupid, pugnacious white people are into?

― jedi slimane (suzy), Thursday, April 7, 2016 12:19 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It would be within reason imo but they're not the only ones clinging to this kind of faux-legalism. It has a distinct "jailhouse lawyer" odor to it, just with a lot of extra trappings that maybe are the unique part.

Would I be generalising too much if I were to suggest that the whole freemen idea is something only stupid, pugnacious white people are into?

Yes. The guy in the story I linked to upthread (the guy keeping sex slaves in his house) is black. Also, members of the Moorish Nation are very into sovereign citizen ideas.

They're just paving the way for the Etymologist King.

I honestly can't remember if I've posted this on here somewhere already, but if you didn't already know about the 'Conspira-sea' cruise there's a fascinating set of blogposts from someone who was on it (and a jezebel one). The stuff about the stuff on this thread is just depressing.

The promo site for the cruise has been taken down, but here's the archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20151119235204/http://www.divinetravels.com/ConspiraSea2016Speakers.html

The result is a fascinating irony. These are conspiracy theorists. They’re cued to suspect someone is lying to them. They pride themselves on being awake in the world. But they’re sleepwalking through the most transparent baloney imaginable.

It's an obvious truth, but a truth all the same.

fucking Andrew Wakefield was on that cruise thing, score another point on his credibility rating

I've been thinking about Ka Te / Katie and maybe it has something to do with the cardigan.

Cardigans make all the difference (Nina Persson to thread plz)

her aura is different

Been reading up on what happens when conspiracists meet conspiracies they don't like (do read the comments): http://wellaware1.com/newsite/the-flat-earth-nonsense-a-royal-creation/

(Somewhat off-topic from Freemen, but we've gone down the no-name + ConspiraSea avenue so I feel like it can belong here.)

I love these sites with the photos of obviously different people who are supposed to be the same person

In my conspiracy headcannon these guys just suffer from undiagnosed Prosopagnosia.

Er, canon with one n. Sorry.

ts photos of obviously different people who are supposed to be the same person vs. photos of obviously the same person who are supposed to be different people

all this stuff just sort of makes me sad. not the sort of crazy they have so much- sun ra had pretty much the same sort of crazy and he did fine- but the fact that they can't make their particular crazy work for them like sun ra did. can't we just book all these folks into jazz big bands?

Photos taken of different people who are supposed to be the same person together that you would never have expected to be the same person who is supposed to be different people but make you happy all the same.

shot out of a headcannon

all this stuff just sort of makes me sad. not the sort of crazy they have so much- sun ra had pretty much the same sort of crazy and he did fine- but the fact that they can't make their particular crazy work for them like sun ra did. can't we just book all these folks into jazz big bands?

― diana krallice (rushomancy), Friday, April 8, 2016 7:10 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

qfmft

Sun Ra was from Saturn – different kind of deal here.

True.

Someone I know kind of "got into" the sovereign booshit in the mid-'00s. We don't talk about it much, and they live far away now, but it saddens me, and I haven't felt like looking into the madness of it all very closely, but I'm sure it's baroque.

It's extra-weird because they identify, emphatically, as Sinti (Middle-European / Central Asian; nomadic; aka "gypsy," but not Romani either) instead of white, and, again emphatically, as non-heterosexual (but not "gay" or "lesbian" in any normative sense either), and as Sufi Muslim, despite having been born to (at least nominally) white Lutheran parents in the rural Midwest. Go figure.

i think some people can adopt all sorts of fantasy conceptions of themselves if they're bored and dissatisfied enough

even the Freemen mania has a side of wishing the world was more magical, buried away in the feckless selfishness

Indeed. Unsurprisingly, perhaps, some of this emerged during an extended period of recovery from an injury. Still, they are genuinely very intelligent and talented and have a great sense of humor as well, and having known them over decades it simply wouldn't occur to me to question their self-identification as Sinti, non-heterosexual, and Sufi. The sovereign stuff, though, they can fuck right off with that.

Um, this thread isn't indexed, searchably, for Google, is it?

this is on ile so i think it is

Searched on "Thread of Freemen" in quotes. Up came this thread.

freemen inviolable sovereign rights of individual survival end times mra hangout coffee fun haribo

might be an idea for it to be deindexed anyway if that's still doable

welcome to all our new free-:man friends :) posting here enters u into a contract with me where u are obliged to transcribe "otm" after each of my intellectual property

otm

:)

lolol

*Is* it still possible to deindex a thread, specifically this thread? Because that would be really great, due in part to my indiscretion, for which I apologize. I didn't use any names or genders, but still, they'd recognize themselves instantly. :\

it is, you should prob post in mod request forum so someone sees it and either the thread can be deindexed or your identifying descriptions can be edited.

Thank you, call all destroyer. Will do.

*recognizes self instantly*

http://gawker.com/friendly-fire-in-the-american-patriot-death-cult-1769165742

Intra group squabbles after Malhuer and drunken (possible) murder.

Modernity, war, and economic devastation will do a lot to people not given a safety net, socially or psychologically.

libs so bleeding heart that we have to feel compassion for violent reactionaries too now? sometimes fascistic will to power is just fascistic will to power.

He added, “When it comes to overthrowing a government, you have to start off peacefully.”

^Perfectly achieves that difficult mix of careful weighty thought and wild-eyed crazy.

If those people violently oppose being given a safety net, fuck em

nah they want a safety net, just not those moochers

Some freeman cry-for-help going hog-wild just now with FOI requests

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/george_tsigarides

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/17/fca-issues-warning-over-were-bank

You can only withdraw funds from Were-Bank when the moon is full

I thought it might be where you kept your wergild, which seems like the sort of concept these folks would claim is still in effect.