casino royale was such a great movie, the tone was so excellent and craig had the perfect humor and devil may care attitude and even when it got "serious" it wasn't stifling. then they had to go and fuck up the reboot and make it deadly serious. there's a perfect middle ground between "octopussy" and "it is i james, the author of all your pain" or whatever and i think CR was it.
― nomar, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link
That's a big problem when the reboot of a series gets it right first time: the writers can't leave well enough alone and mess it up. QoS particularly is such a joyless movie, a bit of humour wouldn't have made it a great film, but at least it would have been a bit more watchable. Moore's run has the same basic problem: first movie gets it right, but then the attempts at humour make it worse, until they try and make the films serious around FYEO but that didn't work out either.
― an opportunity thick enough to taste (snoball), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 19:02 (eight years ago) link
Moore's first go has aged p badly (eg race)
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
the hillbilly sheriff from the moore era is the disco stu of the bond franchise
― nomar, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link
xp yeah it' o________O from start to finish. So is TMWTGG in the middle.
― an opportunity thick enough to taste (snoball), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link
no love for live and let die then? I thought that was by far the best moore film
― akm, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 19:09 (eight years ago) link
oh, live and let die WAS the first moore. my bad.
― akm, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
QoS is so good. Skyfall and Spectre are bottom tier Bonds but QoS is one of my favorites. A stumped, dumb Bond staggering around killing people, no interest in the girl, she's got no interest in him. I think there's some humour there. And it's so zippy, neat, lean. Villain with a mundane, realistic plan but quite entertainingly portrayed. Nice real world locales. The opposite of the two disasters that followed basically.
― abcfsk, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
i feel a little better about QoS now after the last pair of Bonds bc its minor ambitions to be a bourne ripoff are more charming and more in keeping with the bond series kind of following action movie trends.
― nomar, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link
I saw no glaring qualitative difference between the last four James Bond movies. All serviceably entertaining, moderately dumb action movies featuring fan service that I at least half understood due to the cultural ubiquity of the 468 Bond movies which I haven't seen.
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 19:14 (eight years ago) link
I just rewatched Casino Royale after reading the book, and also because I needed cheering up after Spectre. Nomar OTM -- it's a really good film, and the action scenes are tight -- I can't believe Sam Mendes saw them and thought "What Bond movies *really* need are worse action scenes and better cinematography."
What I didn't remember is just how cheesey it is, at least for the first hour: the old mobile phones, the chintzy Miami hotel scenes, the dorky jokes. Very nineties. It's like a Brosnan Bond done right.
Also, Eva Green is really fun - a definite improvement on Vesper in the book, and just miles and miles better than any ot the other subsequent female leads (not counting M).
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
thinking over it again, dave bautista might be the best part of this recent one
the plane chase down the mountain was tight, enjoyed the really sterile clinic before it, too
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 20:55 (eight years ago) link
the idea that james bond is more comfortable in a shack or rat's nest drinking booze than in anything nice and modern is a good touch, the character should only seem at home in a sleek modern building if it's on fire
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 20:56 (eight years ago) link
"What Bond movies *really* need are worse action scenes and better cinematography."
Now Sam Mendes is otm.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 20:58 (eight years ago) link
this is about Bond, not whether Sam Mendes has ever had salient ideas
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 6 April 2016 21:00 (eight years ago) link
casino royale was such a great movie, the tone was so excellent and craig had the perfect humor and devil may care attitude and even when it got "serious" it wasn't stifling. then they had to go and fuck up the reboot and make it deadly serious
otm
― marcos, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 21:04 (eight years ago) link
nah come on Léa Seydoux rocked.
― piscesx, Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:24 (eight years ago) link
CR is great until car crash. After that is Mendez shit.
― Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 April 2016 12:35 (eight years ago) link