Taking Sides: Nick Cave vs. Michael Jackson

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...yeah, and look what happened to Him!

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 19:10 (ten years ago) link

Michael Jackson had better lawyers.

Than Jesus? Yes, that's true.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 19:12 (ten years ago) link

He died!

fucken cumlord (omar little), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 19:12 (ten years ago) link

Michael Jackson died?

See, now this is how rumors get started.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 19:15 (ten years ago) link

RIP Gloved One

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 19:16 (ten years ago) link

michael jackson is dead.

fucken cumlord (omar little), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 19:17 (ten years ago) link

they always say it happens in threes

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 19:17 (ten years ago) link

prince is also dead

fucken cumlord (omar little), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 19:18 (ten years ago) link

Nick Cave isn't at all well.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 19:18 (ten years ago) link

Hell, the fuckin' Carpenters were extolled as demigods in my household before I was born

lol now i'm imagining Alex's house as the meeting of P.A.G.A.N. in Dragnet, sacrificing the virgin connie swail to karen carpenter

― wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:48 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Fuck the Carpenters.

― Alex in NYC, Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:49 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

= this thread redeemed

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 19:19 (ten years ago) link

I prefer MJ of these two, but honestly I'ma just vote for whoever OP hates more from here on out.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 03:51 (ten years ago) link

on the strength of music alone, it would be MJ. however, he has entered that realm where i hate his persona and his actions so much that it makes me unable to listen to his music very much anymore. this gives the vote to nick cave whom i like here and there but just about never listen to.

pipecock, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 04:14 (ten years ago) link

however, he has entered that realm where i hate his persona and his actions so much that it makes me unable to listen to his music very much anymore. this gives the vote to nick cave

Bertrand Russell spinning in his grave statement of the week.

Passantino Complexion (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 04:23 (ten years ago) link

Alex, I'm sorry, I didn't realize until now that you were the one that pit these two together. I still say this comparison is pretty insane. More insane than even Morrissey vs. Prince, but I get you. No probs. Of course Nick Cave stomps all over Jacko, but anyone who doesn't think so really cannot be my friend. That is all.

Take The Gothheads Bowling (Bimble), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 04:52 (ten years ago) link

man was just listening to henry's dream, that album is fierce girlfriend!

4,000 hoes in blackburn, lancashire (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 18 April 2009 05:26 (ten years ago) link

at 7:02 on saturday morning another fierce girlfriend would be the least welcome thing i can think of.

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 April 2009 06:03 (ten years ago) link

Ultimately, the results of this poll are meaningless. It was a silly response to another threat. But if MJ wins, I'll be very disappointed.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 18 April 2009 11:20 (ten years ago) link

thread, not threat.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 18 April 2009 11:20 (ten years ago) link

Actually, yeah, let's go with threat.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 18 April 2009 12:21 (ten years ago) link

Pat Phoenix Wright, Messageboard Attorney (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 April 2009 12:25 (ten years ago) link

MJ is hard core, you are totally wrong!!

PAM PAM PAM PAM (u s steel), Saturday, 18 April 2009 13:12 (ten years ago) link

xpost: That punchline was so not worth the wait.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 18 April 2009 13:13 (ten years ago) link

jesus christ, all of you are doing my head in

― The-Reverend (rev), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:15 (4 days ago)

rev is correct!

Don't care for either artist much TBH, but I still like some Birthday Party shit, and the odd bad seeds track here & there, wheras MJ's mannerisms when singing irritate the fuck out of me even when the music's good.

mroo (Pashmina), Saturday, 18 April 2009 13:28 (ten years ago) link

You guys realise this thread will soon be invaded by outraged Googlers, right?

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 18 April 2009 15:02 (ten years ago) link

Of course Nick Cave stomps all over Jacko, but anyone who doesn't think so really cannot be my friend.

Michael Jackson is head and shoulders above everything Nick Cave ever dreamed about, let alone Cave's actual recorded output.

I can sit in my car all day, and that doesn't make me a car. (HI DERE), Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:05 (ten years ago) link

dude cave had a dream one time where the redhead chick from mad men was a mermaid, sayin

4,000 hoes in blackburn, lancashire (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:22 (ten years ago) link

also if you pick your friends based on their opinion of nick cave.....lol

i'm not entirely sure my wife even knows who he is offhand

4,000 hoes in blackburn, lancashire (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:23 (ten years ago) link

My wife probably thinks Nick Cave is located somewhere in Kentucky, not far from Big Bone Lick.

Euler, Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:25 (ten years ago) link

dude cave had a dream one time where the redhead chick from mad men was a mermaid, sayin

word? hmmm......

I can sit in my car all day, and that doesn't make me a car. (HI DERE), Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:27 (ten years ago) link

also, Michael Jackson, but I only know Nick Cave from seeing him at LOLlapalooza in the early 90s, plus a few songs here and there ("The Mercy Seat", "Into My Arms", the "Helpless" cover on the Neil Young tribute album). Maybe one of these years I'll give him a further try. From my point of view this poll is hard to fathom.

Euler, Saturday, 18 April 2009 16:32 (ten years ago) link

Of course Nick Cave stomps all over Jacko, but anyone who doesn't think so really cannot be my friend. That is all.

I wonder if anyone was tempted to change their vote after this. I was voting for MJ anyway, though.

Nicodle Otago (Nicole), Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:03 (ten years ago) link

I am such a huge Nick Cave stan that you will see me as a talking head in the upcoming documentary about him. His live show never fails to amaze and inspire. His music changed my life. Unfortunately for my one-time idol Mr. Cave, he had no involvement in "I Want You Back," which is one of the 20th century's peak musical moments - shockingly, it's only one of several such moments to which MJ can lay claim. A vote for Michael Jackson is a vote for your own sanity. Hold on to your mind!

In keeping with the idea of "What if these two musicians were in their own mid 90s NBC Thursdays sitcom together?" from the previous thread.

Sitcom working title: Your Shenanigans, Our Trials

Plot: After filing for bankruptcy Michael Jackson starts a new life in Australia, where he lives in the guest house of singer Nick Samson (Nick Cave), who is trying to juggle family life with life on the road as a rock singer.

Episode: The Birthday Party

When Nick (Nick Cave) throws a Halloween themed birthday party for his young nephew he assumed that his houseguest Michael (Michael Jackson) wouldn't be around to try to lure some of the children into the Cave family guest house to watch Nick at Night's Brady Bunch marathon. Can Nick pull off the birthday festivities or will be too occupied keeping one eye on Michael the whole night? And what of this news that Nick's wife (Patricia Heaton) wants Nick to cut touring in half so they can take a vacation to Alaska together?

Guest Star: Christopher Knight. 30 Min TVPG

Cunga, Saturday, 18 April 2009 18:38 (ten years ago) link

"A vote for Michael Jackson is a vote for your own sanity. "

Oh, please, spare us your concern. I don't like the records, that's it.

Soukesian, Saturday, 18 April 2009 19:44 (ten years ago) link

Wait, so who did you end up voting for, J0hn.

Sundar, Saturday, 18 April 2009 21:35 (ten years ago) link

xp Cunga: I think this is the most redeeming post on this thread ... would they be playing themselves or non-celebrities with elements of their personalities/personas?

Episode: I Had a Bad Dream Joe (the parents advisory episode)

Nick's wife goes away for a girls' week-long vacation at the beach, leaving Nick home with the kids. Before leaving, Nick's wife makes him promise that he will spend quality time with the kids, instead of holing up in his home studio and writing music. But old habits die hard. After working into the wee hours on a concept album about Old Testament tyrants, he wakes up to find the kids missing. He walks into the backyard to find that Michael has built this towering treehouse and is dangling Nick's youngest over the balcony. Nick clambers up the tree, and instead of pulling the child down, he throws the child off the balcony, where it falls to its death, skull split open. In a fit of panic, to hide his guilt, he throws his other child off the balcony of the treehouse. Then, as he is stuggling with Michael to toss him off, too, he wakes up. Michael is shaking him awake because they have tickets to the amusement park and they are running late.

Episode: Home Truths

Michael Jackson fiddles kids and Nick Cave isn't all that. Guest stars: Prince (pwns) Morrissey (sucks)

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 April 2009 00:07 (ten years ago) link

Damn, it just occured to me that I should have voted for Michael Jackson, because Michael Jakson glued up a person a plaster

mroo (Pashmina), Sunday, 19 April 2009 00:15 (ten years ago) link

would they be playing themselves or non-celebrities with elements of their personalities/personas?

Heightened versions of themselves, and I lol'd at the dream sequence you did.

Cunga, Sunday, 19 April 2009 00:34 (ten years ago) link

Wait, so who did you end up voting for, J0hn

I don't remember :(

Good god, John. You certainly seem to be sitting on the fence now, despite your first post here.

Of course Michael will win this one, more folks know him. I knew Prince would win the other poll against Morrissey, as well. No big surprises here. As far as Nick goes, though, I agree his stuff is quite boring lately. But The Birthday Party were challenging the status quo and being more weird & arty than MJ could possibly ever be even if he wanted to, and as a child of punk/post-punk in my listening habits, I'm bound to give the goods to the one who "ripped things up and started again" (i.e. attempting something new and different) so to speak. But I'm lying if I say I enjoy BP more than some of Nick's solo stuff. Oh, no way. Sure, you hate Boatman's Call, John, fine (prob my all time fave album of his) but look at Tender Prey for instance. I mean isn't that pretty much the all-time best diverse statement of what he was capable of in his prime? "Let Love In" is another fantastic and diverse album. I'm thankful to Matt for saying "Henry's Dream" cause I need to re-experience that one again.

So yeah, Michael in his prime was mostly a pleaser of the masses (hey I'm totally down with most of Off The Wall and even a track or two off Thriller) but I like artists who plumb the depths, do something different, follow a different muse than the crowd. Nick has been out of ideas for years, I think, but that doesn't discount the value of the unique contribution he made to music.

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Sunday, 19 April 2009 07:41 (ten years ago) link

Of course Michael will win this one, more folks know him.

uh, that's crap, to be fair. maybe yeah out of 6 billion worldwide. in terms of ILX i'm pretty sure everyone would have heard of nick cave.

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 April 2009 14:05 (ten years ago) link

man i guess i'm not getting this prevailing opinion that nick is boring now...i fucking LOVE abbatoir blues/lyre of orpheus and grinderman was pretty awesome too

4,000 hoes in blackburn, lancashire (M@tt He1ges0n), Sunday, 19 April 2009 14:13 (ten years ago) link

Agreed, Grinderman was more fun than he's been for ages.

Soukesian, Sunday, 19 April 2009 14:15 (ten years ago) link

Of course Michael will win this one, more folks know him.

Knee-jerk but heartfelt response: Of course Michael will win this one, more folks are stupid.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 19 April 2009 18:00 (ten years ago) link


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