Also mentioned in Ian Carr's Miles bio:https://books.google.com/books?id=bE_JBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA488&lpg=PA488&dq=Miles+Davis+Gil+Evans+Tosca&source=bl&ots=b8MObg1_Cm&sig=c0ppP_IZLJagRPow3ahokac0O3w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYu6KxiezLAhXFNiYKHYQUC38Q6AEISTAK#v=onepage&q=Miles%20Davis%20Gil%20Evans%20Tosca&f=false
And Gary Giddens' Visions of Jazzhttps://books.google.com/books?id=MH0btmTBccsC&pg=PA355&lpg=PA355&dq=Miles+Davis+Gil+Evans+Tosca&source=bl&ots=A-LmjGE1FJ&sig=TlYLL0MbEMEUST2ffIstRD0XYCk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYu6KxiezLAhXFNiYKHYQUC38Q6AEITDAL#v=onepage&q=Miles%20Davis%20Gil%20Evans%20Tosca&f=false
And more irritably by Miles in various interview quotes.
― dow, Thursday, 31 March 2016 23:30 (seven years ago) link
and he *and* Gil blamed Columbia and Teo in particular for releasing QN, according to this:
Yeah, Miles refused to work with Macero for a time. It didn't last long, though, and Teo was back for Miles Smiles.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 31 March 2016 23:34 (seven years ago) link
xpost, aren't there a couple live collections with almost the same title? I have the 2-LP Heard 'Round The World, an '83 reissue of Live In Tokyo, with Sam Rivers, and Live In Berlin, with Wayne Shorter---two great statesmen of space:https://www.discogs.com/Miles-Davis-Heard-Round-The-World/release/1384693
― dow, Thursday, 31 March 2016 23:37 (seven years ago) link
I think so, I mean this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Around_the_World_(Miles_Davis_album)
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Friday, 1 April 2016 01:02 (seven years ago) link
so Manohla Dhargis likes this new Don Cheadle/Miles biopic...? (I couldn't find the other thread where we discussed the trailer). I'm deeply skeptical to say the least.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 1 April 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
I finally picked up a physical copy of Big Fun this weekend and that record should rate much, much higher in MD's discography.It's wall to wall fantastic. I know that everything on it has since been reissued but for being a comp it's remarkably coherent.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
I love Big Fun. Considering it was mostly recorded during the Bitches Brew sessions, it's a lot quieter and reserved. Also love Dave Holland's playing across the board on that stuff.
― outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
Great Expectations/Orange Lady is magnificent, just a shimmering jewel of a cut. Ife is like the mellow side of OTC, and Go Ahead John may be Macero's most out-there moment ever
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
I've been looking for "Big Fun" on CD but haven't come across it in the wild. I may just order it on Discogs.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
To me, this would be the better buy.
― outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link
agreed, so good
― sleeve, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
Those "Complete ________ Sessions" on Columbia / Legacy are so friggin' good across the board, but the Bitches Brew set is the one I've gone back to most frequently over the years. The In A Silent Way box is a very close second.
― outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
Recollections is 'the one' for me on the Big Fun set. But Go Ahead is something else again. De Johnette (and Macero's treatment of him) is insane.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
I'm listening to the LP so I've not heard Recollections. I'll have to give it a listen.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
― outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Tuesday, September 4, 2018 11:35 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― sleeve, Tuesday, September 4, 2018 11:39 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i was totally wondering about whether to buy this this weekend.. so thanks!!
― brimstead, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 20:01 (five years ago) link
(bb sessions box)
Especially at the price range it's currently going for on Discogs, it's worth every penny.
― outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
Today being the anniversary of Davis's birth, I wrote about AURA, a 1989 album that's never really clicked for me.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 15:13 (three years ago) link
The next volume in the Bootleg Series has been announced; it's called That's What Happened 1982-85, and includes a disc of unreleased tracks from the Star People sessions, a disc of unreleased tracks from the You're Under Arrest sessions, and a live disc from 1983 (which is being released separately). I'm kinda excited. One of the previously unreleased 1985 tracks is a version of Tina Turner's "What's Love Got To Do With It":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-ZBl_rvmRE
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 17 June 2022 13:40 (one year ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/release/24534968-Miles-Davis-The-Bootleg-Series-Vol-7-Thats-What-Happened-1982-1985
indeed.
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Saturday, 17 September 2022 21:17 (one year ago) link
A new remaster of Star People is the Vinyl Me Please "Classics" title for November.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 17 September 2022 22:13 (one year ago) link
I so wanted to like his eighties stuff...I love the attitude of going completely commercial and reconnecting with his audience, but I found it a chore.
― I Met Mr. Mathis (I M Losted), Saturday, 17 September 2022 22:19 (one year ago) link
I've always thought Star People was the weakest of the 80s albums, but maybe I need to revisit.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 17 September 2022 22:28 (one year ago) link
The Heat Warps blog has been posting a lot of great shows from, I think, the late 60s, and for sure on up to '75. In the 80s, I especially liked the fairly raw live We Want Miles[ and Aura, where he's with McLaughlin and The Danish Radio Big Band, feat. ace bassist Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen: it's composed and arranged by Palle Mikkelborg, in the manner of Gil Evans, like if Miles and Gil got back together to make a *tasteful* update of their previous collabs, with a bit of electrification---real good for what it is.
― dow, Saturday, 17 September 2022 22:47 (one year ago) link
Decoy is a good Miles 80s album too, with John Scofield.
― dow, Saturday, 17 September 2022 22:49 (one year ago) link
listen to the live stuff!!!!
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 17 September 2022 23:17 (one year ago) link
Live 80s Miles > studio 80s Miles pretty much across the board, except that I love Tutu.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 17 September 2022 23:58 (one year ago) link
Tutu and Amandla are both classics
Here’s one of the most insane mid 80s miles live sets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIWgJJzG_aY
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Sunday, 18 September 2022 00:27 (one year ago) link
I love 80s miles. The incorporation of 80s production techniques feel especially fresh to me these days
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Sunday, 18 September 2022 00:28 (one year ago) link
My go-to 80s Miles track is "Fat Time"
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 18 September 2022 00:56 (one year ago) link
i was typing really fast earlier but reading the pfork review of the new set inspired me to elaborate: the '80s miles studio recordings are for the most part great, tutu and amandla are my faves but star people which this set explores is maybe the closest his '80s studio work got to the (always revelatory) live work. but, like, even the man with the horn is dope af, people listen to it with their ears clouded by preexisting notions of him falling off in the '80s but it sounds like a direct follow-up to get up with it if you're hearing it right
decoy, star people, and you're under arrest see him folding in '80s production techniques and contemporaneous covers but they just sound, idk, amazing, unlike any other music, alive, emotional, sleek, mechanical, and generally always the funkiest thing you've ever heard. deej otm essentially
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:42 (one year ago) link
i also think the portrayal of him "going commercial" in the '80s ignores that his '70s fusion work was also an attempt to "go commercial" and connect to the youth but the translation came out beguilingly weird. same thing largely happened here, imo
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link
This was posted on the jazz thread, but it's a fantastic interview with Pete Cosey, includes some bits on planned bands/records that failed to come together between 75 - 80. Also that Zigaboo Modeliste was supposed to join the band in the 70s.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:02 (one year ago) link
Milford Graves was approached by Miles in the early '70s, too. Not sure how that would've gone -- if it would've been a typical Miles situation of, "You know that thing you do? Don't do it," or if he would've been in more of an Mtume role -- but either way, Milford turned Miles down.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:10 (one year ago) link
Let me say that "Hopscotch" is fantastic.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:15 (one year ago) link
I agree a little, disagree a little, and/but in any case I wrote a whole book on electric Miles and it didn't stop at 1975, nor was it just about the music qua music — I talked about the Honda scooter commercial, the Miami Vice appearance, the way he started doing many, many more interviews in the 80s than he had before, and generally how he consciously attempted to become *a star* in 80s pop culture terms. And the music is definitely a big part of that, but not all of it; he wanted to be part of the pantheon. Look at the way he constantly praised Prince, in a way he never talked about Hendrix or James Brown or Sly in the 70s.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:20 (one year ago) link
I could more readily picture a Graves/Coltrane album, though.
xp
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:21 (one year ago) link
Milford was a Latin percussionist before he became a jazz drummer; if Miles wanted him to do some Tito Puente shit, that could have been amazing.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:23 (one year ago) link
The thought of Miles of approaching Graves is kinda of blowing my mind, just the two of them in the same room at the same time might have been too much haha
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:33 (one year ago) link
ooh have i missed the link for the cosey i/v?
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:48 (one year ago) link
new box set contains more instances of miles saying "teooooo" so it was worth releasing imo
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:48 (one year ago) link
Sorry, Cosey interview:https://www.thelastmiles.com/interviews-pete-cosey/
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:50 (one year ago) link
ecollections is 'the one' for me on the Big Fun set. But Go Ahead is something else again. De Johnette (and Macero's treatment of him) is insane.― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, September 4, 2018 2:13 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglinkI'm listening to the LP so I've not heard Recollections. I'll have to give it a listen.― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, September 4, 2018
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, September 4, 2018 2:13 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, September 4, 2018
― dow, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 16:05 (one year ago) link
the "obx ballad" suite is awesome, what the heck
i'm so happy
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 16:06 (one year ago) link
Speaking of this one, as Brad just did, I mentioned here in 2016:
I like just about all of Miles' 80s albums---The Man With The Horn could be so smoove, uh-oh---except he also had pre-tasteful Mike Stern showing up periodically with these greasy mullet licks, so it was a Miles experience after all.
― dow, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 16:41 (one year ago) link
Not just quotes, Miles also plays new stuff on the album.
― dow, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 16:43 (one year ago) link
unperson otm- he definitely *seemed* more open to pimping himself after coming out of retirement. it bugged me for a long time, but it occurs later in my own life: if he could appear on miami vice and then talk mountains of shit in interviews -just in the name of being MILES- why tf shouldn't he have?
also not trying to argue with brad, but the big difference about 70s vs 80s miles is that he was straight up playing others folks (very popular) music in the 80s. same shit he did in the bebop days, but the tech was just totally different, obviously. that just didn't happen in the late 60s/70s. he played music "inspired by" the pop stuff he liked but, well, on the corner was never gonna sound like sly or james brown. tho i do agree we want miles is a seriously undervalued recording - especially if you like that fried acid funk he was doing just before calling it quits.
new archive set is really fascinating. really glad to have the bootleg series back. hopefully this isn't the last one.
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 16:44 (one year ago) link
i mean i'm not trying to flatten the shift but pop music and the notion of engaging with it in the '70s vs the '80s are v different propositions to begin with. anyway my point mostly is that his commercial ambition didn't necessarily result in commercial music in either decade, e.g. how "human nature" and "time after time" get pretty exploded live, and i mostly just want to encourage people to listen to this stuff with open ears bc you will hear the same miles from the previous decades just pushing mercilessly forward. fuck if tutu and amandla sound like anything else really, even though they're critically thought of as occupying the same space as smooth jazz
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 16:57 (one year ago) link
i mostly just want to encourage people to listen to this stuff with open ears bc you will hear the same miles from the previous decades just pushing mercilessly forward
This I agree with 1000%. I wish the individual concerts from the giant 20CD Complete Miles At Montreux box were broken out and released separately, because all those different bands (1984, 1986, 1988, 1989) absolutely destroyed live.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 17:04 (one year ago) link
excellent points all around- and i have to admit that i was one of those people who used to be very snobby re:80s miles. but you're both right: he always used his bands to build off of and that's really on display in the 80s. just because the tech changed didn't mean his chops did.
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 17:38 (one year ago) link