Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting. (Michael sings better, too. Don't think I've ever seen Nick dance; not sure I want to.)
OTM. I don't understand Cave, like, at all.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:33 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'm not going to pick nick cave or michael jackson cause fuck that, but are you dudes seriously making this same fucking stale argument that was retarded when it was first made 3,000 years ago? like are you going to pick ted bundy over robert deniro because he lived the creepy pathologies that deniro acted out in taxi driver?
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting.
not real sure this is a virtue. do you like actual murderers better than people who write convincingly about them?
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link
basically you're saying nick cave is worse because he didn't actually rape children
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link
would vote for literally anyone over nick cave
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link
HITLER vs nick cave
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link
This is really tough! Like way tougher for me than Morrissey v Prince.
― fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link
LOL n/a said it first & better, xpost
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link
I am assuming Birthday Party is not in (or Jackson 5).
― fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Michael Jackson sale at JC Penney's! Boys' pants ... half off!
Seriously though, this thread might be better served as a repository of Michael Jackson paedo jokes.
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:55 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude it's generation vice donchaknow.
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost: nope, MJ/J5 is/are a complete mystery to me. Just not my thing, and it's not for the want of exposure. Haven't been able to get beyond mild irritation. I'm well aware that I'm in the minority, but I'm sure I'm not the only one.
But then, isn't the point of the thread that this is a completely absurd comparison to make?
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link
The difference is that Ted Bundy hasn't written any good songs.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
ha ha ha you're an idiot
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I think we should include birthday party and J5... and basically anything they have released/performed.
― AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link
god this bullshit almost made me vote cave/hitler.
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link
margaret thatcher vs. nick cave
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link
vote cave/hitler.
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:08 (23 seconds ago) Bookmark
classic songwriting partnership imo.
― joe, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Again: "BRINGS TO LIFE IN HIS MUSIC." How is that not clear? And the pathologies that Michael Jackson brings to life, and Nick Cave turns into dead-assed kitsch, have a lot more to do with fear and paranoia than raping children.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link
"and brings to life in his music"
Huh?
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link
MJ has written and sung much better songs about his pathologies; it's got nothing to do with sanctioning them. You're the guy bringing Ted Bundy into this when it's a worthless comparison.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Did I miss the MJ songs about cuddling with kids and loving his chimpanzee/giraffe and his Peter Pan fetish?
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
"Morphine" and "Heal The World" have something to say about chimp-love.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:15 (fifteen years ago) link
jesus christ, all of you are doing my head in
― The-Reverend (rev), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:15 (fifteen years ago) link
vote cave/hitler.― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:08 (23 seconds ago) Bookmarkclassic songwriting partnership imo.
lol
― AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link
― joe, Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:09 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
LOL'd very hard
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:17 (fifteen years ago) link
i voted nick just cuz i listen to him more and i'm not going to think about it beyond that
― wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:19 (fifteen years ago) link
i've never heard a nick cave song, i don't think? not intentionally, anyway. i still voted for nick cave.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Alfred: the zombies in Thriller represent the children with whom he had improper relations.
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:26 (fifteen years ago) link
then there's that Liberian girl.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:29 (fifteen years ago) link
leave me alone with ben
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link
and obviously, the P.Y.T...
― AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Nick Cave's badass schtick is more convincing than MJ's ... MJ is only convincing as a badass to those 10 years and younger.
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:34 (fifteen years ago) link
He got flat babyKick in the back babyA heart attack babyI need your body
A hot kiss honeyHe's just a bitch babyYou make me sick babySo unrelying
I'm such a swine babyAll down the line daddyI hate your kind babySo unreliable
A hot buzz babyHe's one of us babyAnother drug babyYou so desire
Trust in meTrust in mePut all your trust in meYou're doin' morphine
Hoo!
They got place babyKicked in the face babyYou hate your race babyYou're just a liar
Your every lick babyYour dog's a bitch babyYou make me sick babyYou soul survivor
She never cut from meShe never cut babyI had to work babyYou just a rival
Always to please daddyRight up and leave daddyYou're thorwing shame daddySo undesirable
Trust in meJust in mePut all your trsut in meYou're doin' morphine
Go'on babe
RelaxThis won't hurt youBefore I put it inClose your eyes and count to tenDon't cryI won't convert youThere's no need to dismayClose your eyes and drift away
DemerolDemerolOh God he's taking demerolDemerolDemerolOh God he's taking demerol
He's triedHard to convince herTo be over what he hadToday he wants it twice as badDon't cryI won't resent youYesterday you had his trustToday he's taking twice as much
DemerolDemerolOh God he's taking demerolHee-hee-heeDemerolDemerolOh my Oh God it's DemerolHeeOooh
Oh!
He got shit babyYour dog's a bitch babyYou make me sick babyYou are a liar
Is truth a game daddyTo win the fame babyIt's all the same babyYou're so reliable
Trust in meTrust in mePut all your trust in meShe's doin' morphine
You just sit around just talkin' nothingYou're takin' morphineHoo!Go'on babyYou just sit around just talking about itYou're takin' morphineHoo-hoo!Just sit around just talking nothing about itYou're takin' morphineYou just sit around just talking about itYou're taking morphineYou just sit around just talkin' nothin'And takin' morphine
Hoo-hooI'm going down babyYou're talkin' Morphine
Go'on baby!Hoo!Hoo!Morphine!Do it!Hoo!He's takin' morphineMorphine!Morphine!
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:35 (fifteen years ago) link
xhuxk got it right, Cave is awkward and often kitsch. He's had some good moments but he's barely doing anything compared to MJ. Cave covering MJ would be miserable. Unfair match up.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Nick Cave's badass schtick is more convincing than MJ's ... MJ is only convincing as a badass to those 10 years and younger
Whereas Nick Cave's only convincing as a badass to those 38 years and older
― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Cave is awkward and often kitsch
Oh yes, `cos MJ isn't awkward at all, is he.
But Cave got a lot more ridiculous a lot sooner after that
Oh yes, `cos MJ isn't ridiculous at all, is he.
― Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:11 (fifteen years ago) link
am i alone in sort of loving nick in ridiculous mode?
― wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:12 (fifteen years ago) link
xp M@tt: you're not alone!
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link
okay good, cuz dudes in this thread is all like OMG nick cave is just hopped up campy pseudosoutherngothic doomy claptrap!!! and it feels like people wandered into an ac/dc thread and started complaining about them using loud guitars
― wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Nick's arguable "ridiculousness" is evidently relative. Personally speaking, I think the current, porn-moustachioed Cave is a helluva lot more ridiculous than the smack-addled Cave, but that's me.
Either way, he's incalculably superior to Michael Jackson, who is simply objectionable shit on every conceivable level.
― Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:21 (fifteen years ago) link
you know whos great is nate dogg
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:21 (fifteen years ago) link
you ain't kiddin' homie
― wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:22 (fifteen years ago) link
okay good, cuz dudes in this thread is all like OMG nick cave is just hopped up campy pseudosoutherngothic doomy claptrap!!!
On the contrary, it's the fact that he's a load of fucking boring middle-aged crud for 42 year old Goths
― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
just like ILM, amrite???!?!?
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Alex in NYC: the only thing I find non-objectionable shitty about Michael Jackson's adult career is the zombies in the Thriller video. However, those zombies weren't as good as the ones in Land of the Dead
George Romero >>> Michael Jackson
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I only recently decided that Nick Cave didn't completely suck, mostly because I only recently heard The Birthday Party.
Michael Jackson was a staple artist in my household from before I was born.
― I can sit in my car all day, and that doesn't make me a car. (HI DERE), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Tom D: from what period are you marking as "fucking boring middle-aged crud"? Birthday Party is definitely not boring middle-aged crud, and the first decade of Bad Seeds albums aren't either
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link
lol max
― wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Did he touch you in funny places when you were a fetus?
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
btw tom having been a vikings season ticket holder for 10 years i can listen to whatever homo musik i want and not be a goth, membership has its priviledges
― wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link
And Blixa Bargeld had played guitar for Jacko?
― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 April 2009 12:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Considering the artist's respective sales, I reckon the Goth vote held up pretty well.
Preferred Cave well before MJ's 'character issues' started to show, don't need an excuse. Up for Cave's Quincy Jackson album though. Blixa/MJ, not so much.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
They played this one at the goth club some weeks back and I was like "man, these people know how to choose a particularly stellar all-time-best Nick Cave song". You folks who like Tom Waits, I want you to look me in the eye and tell me why you don't like this.
― Smart, Long, Lifephones (Bimble), Sunday, 3 May 2009 03:53 (fourteen years ago) link
So when is there going to be a Crime and The City Solution vs. Nick Cave poll?
― xhuxk, Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Aww...actually I don't know if I even owned a Crime & The City Solution record. I did own one of those ex-Bad Seeds records, but I don't think it was them.
― Smart, Long, Lifephones (Bimble), Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Is Alex in NYC 14?
― SQUIRREL WITH A PEOPLE FACE (╓abies), Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't like Crime and the City Solution as much as Bad Seeds, but These Immortal Souls are on-par.
― bendy, Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:15 (fourteen years ago) link
― SQUIRREL WITH A PEOPLE FACE (╓abies), Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Reverse the digits.
Michael Jackson sucks and, therefore, you suck for liking him.
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 3 May 2009 13:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I wasn't wrong.
― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 10 January 2019 22:11 (five years ago) link
what would be more enjoyable? Cave covering 'Jam' or Jackson covering 'No Pussy Blues'?
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:12 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
cave has eaten jam, at least
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:13 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― topical mlady (darraghmac), Friday, 11 January 2019 02:51 (five years ago) link
you would just like to point out that you have been otm in this thread
― sans lep (sic), Friday, 11 January 2019 07:46 (five years ago) link