Taking Sides: Nick Cave vs. Michael Jackson

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a collabo is making more and more sense to me- Nick Cave sings "Ben" backed with MJ covering "The Carny"

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:33 (ten years ago) link

I think MJ can't sing/dance anymore, that said.
but I guess the point of the TS is to compare them at their best.

AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:33 (ten years ago) link

Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting. (Michael sings better, too. Don't think I've ever seen Nick dance; not sure I want to.)

OTM. I don't understand Cave, like, at all.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:33 (ten years ago) link

a collab produced but will i am. just writing this makes me sick...

AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:34 (ten years ago) link

sounds more like a timbaland joint

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:35 (ten years ago) link

Xpost: I don't understand MJ at all. Seriously. And I've had to put up with his music since the mid-70s.

Soukesian, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:38 (ten years ago) link

Please accept my sympathy

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:41 (ten years ago) link

there's not a single track by MJ/J5 that you like at all ?

AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:49 (ten years ago) link

Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting. (Michael sings better, too. Don't think I've ever seen Nick dance; not sure I want to.)

OTM. I don't understand Cave, like, at all.

― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:33 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm not going to pick nick cave or michael jackson cause fuck that, but are you dudes seriously making this same fucking stale argument that was retarded when it was first made 3,000 years ago? like are you going to pick ted bundy over robert deniro because he lived the creepy pathologies that deniro acted out in taxi driver?

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:52 (ten years ago) link

Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting.

not real sure this is a virtue. do you like actual murderers better than people who write convincingly about them?

basically you're saying nick cave is worse because he didn't actually rape children

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (ten years ago) link

would vote for literally anyone over nick cave

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (ten years ago) link

HITLER vs nick cave

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (ten years ago) link

This is really tough! Like way tougher for me than Morrissey v Prince.

fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:56 (ten years ago) link

LOL n/a said it first & better, xpost

I am assuming Birthday Party is not in (or Jackson 5).

fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:58 (ten years ago) link

Michael Jackson sale at JC Penney's! Boys' pants ... half off!

Seriously though, this thread might be better served as a repository of Michael Jackson paedo jokes.

HITLER vs nick cave

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:55 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude it's generation vice donchaknow.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:59 (ten years ago) link

xpost: nope, MJ/J5 is/are a complete mystery to me. Just not my thing, and it's not for the want of exposure. Haven't been able to get beyond mild irritation. I'm well aware that I'm in the minority, but I'm sure I'm not the only one.

But then, isn't the point of the thread that this is a completely absurd comparison to make?

Soukesian, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:02 (ten years ago) link

i'm not going to pick nick cave or michael jackson cause fuck that, but are you dudes seriously making this same fucking stale argument that was retarded when it was first made 3,000 years ago? like are you going to pick ted bundy over robert deniro because he lived the creepy pathologies that deniro acted out in taxi driver?

The difference is that Ted Bundy hasn't written any good songs.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:05 (ten years ago) link

ha ha ha you're an idiot

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:06 (ten years ago) link

I think we should include birthday party and J5... and basically anything they have released/performed.

AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:07 (ten years ago) link

Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting.

god this bullshit almost made me vote cave/hitler.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:08 (ten years ago) link

margaret thatcher vs. nick cave

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:08 (ten years ago) link

vote cave/hitler.

― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:08 (23 seconds ago) Bookmark

classic songwriting partnership imo.

joe, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:09 (ten years ago) link

Again: "BRINGS TO LIFE IN HIS MUSIC." How is that not clear? And the pathologies that Michael Jackson brings to life, and Nick Cave turns into dead-assed kitsch, have a lot more to do with fear and paranoia than raping children.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:10 (ten years ago) link

"and brings to life in his music"

Huh?

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:10 (ten years ago) link

ha ha ha you're an idiot

MJ has written and sung much better songs about his pathologies; it's got nothing to do with sanctioning them. You're the guy bringing Ted Bundy into this when it's a worthless comparison.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:11 (ten years ago) link

Did I miss the MJ songs about cuddling with kids and loving his chimpanzee/giraffe and his Peter Pan fetish?

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:11 (ten years ago) link

"Morphine" and "Heal The World" have something to say about chimp-love.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:15 (ten years ago) link

jesus christ, all of you are doing my head in

The-Reverend (rev), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:15 (ten years ago) link

vote cave/hitler.

― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:08 (23 seconds ago) Bookmark

classic songwriting partnership imo.

lol

AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:16 (ten years ago) link

vote cave/hitler.

― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:08 (23 seconds ago) Bookmark

classic songwriting partnership imo.

― joe, Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:09 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

LOL'd very hard

lol

i voted nick just cuz i listen to him more and i'm not going to think about it beyond that

wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:19 (ten years ago) link

i've never heard a nick cave song, i don't think? not intentionally, anyway. i still voted for nick cave.

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:20 (ten years ago) link

xp Alfred: the zombies in Thriller represent the children with whom he had improper relations.

then there's that Liberian girl.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:29 (ten years ago) link

leave me alone with ben

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:32 (ten years ago) link

and obviously, the P.Y.T...

AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:33 (ten years ago) link

Nick Cave's badass schtick is more convincing than MJ's ... MJ is only convincing as a badass to those 10 years and younger.

He got flat baby
Kick in the back baby
A heart attack baby
I need your body

A hot kiss honey
He's just a bitch baby
You make me sick baby
So unrelying

I'm such a swine baby
All down the line daddy
I hate your kind baby
So unreliable

A hot buzz baby
He's one of us baby
Another drug baby
You so desire

Trust in me
Trust in me
Put all your trust in me
You're doin' morphine

Hoo!

They got place baby
Kicked in the face baby
You hate your race baby
You're just a liar

Your every lick baby
Your dog's a bitch baby
You make me sick baby
You soul survivor

She never cut from me
She never cut baby
I had to work baby
You just a rival

Always to please daddy
Right up and leave daddy
You're thorwing shame daddy
So undesirable

Trust in me
Just in me
Put all your trsut in me
You're doin' morphine

Go'on babe

Relax
This won't hurt you
Before I put it in
Close your eyes and count to ten
Don't cry
I won't convert you
There's no need to dismay
Close your eyes and drift away

Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol

He's tried
Hard to convince her
To be over what he had
Today he wants it twice as bad
Don't cry
I won't resent you
Yesterday you had his trust
Today he's taking twice as much

Demerol
Demerol
Oh God he's taking demerol
Hee-hee-hee
Demerol
Demerol
Oh my Oh God it's Demerol
Hee
Oooh

Oh!

He got shit baby
Your dog's a bitch baby
You make me sick baby
You are a liar

Is truth a game daddy
To win the fame baby
It's all the same baby
You're so reliable

Trust in me
Trust in me
Put all your trust in me
She's doin' morphine

Hoo!

You just sit around just talkin' nothing
You're takin' morphine
Hoo!
Go'on baby
You just sit around just talking about it
You're takin' morphine
Hoo-hoo!
Just sit around just talking nothing about it
You're takin' morphine
You just sit around just talking about it
You're taking morphine
You just sit around just talkin' nothin'
And takin' morphine

Hoo-hoo
I'm going down baby
You're talkin' Morphine

Go'on baby!
Hoo!
Hoo!
Morphine!
Do it!
Hoo!
He's takin' morphine
Morphine!
Morphine!

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:35 (ten years ago) link

xhuxk got it right, Cave is awkward and often kitsch. He's had some good moments but he's barely doing anything compared to MJ. Cave covering MJ would be miserable. Unfair match up.

ogmor, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:37 (ten years ago) link

Nick Cave's badass schtick is more convincing than MJ's ... MJ is only convincing as a badass to those 10 years and younger

Whereas Nick Cave's only convincing as a badass to those 38 years and older

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:39 (ten years ago) link

Cave is awkward and often kitsch

Oh yes, `cos MJ isn't awkward at all, is he.

But Cave got a lot more ridiculous a lot sooner after that

Oh yes, `cos MJ isn't ridiculous at all, is he.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:11 (ten years ago) link

am i alone in sort of loving nick in ridiculous mode?

wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:12 (ten years ago) link

xp M@tt: you're not alone!

okay good, cuz dudes in this thread is all like OMG nick cave is just hopped up campy pseudosoutherngothic doomy claptrap!!! and it feels like people wandered into an ac/dc thread and started complaining about them using loud guitars

wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:20 (ten years ago) link

Nick's arguable "ridiculousness" is evidently relative. Personally speaking, I think the current, porn-moustachioed Cave is a helluva lot more ridiculous than the smack-addled Cave, but that's me.

Either way, he's incalculably superior to Michael Jackson, who is simply objectionable shit on every conceivable level.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:21 (ten years ago) link

you know whos great is nate dogg

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:21 (ten years ago) link

you ain't kiddin' homie

wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:22 (ten years ago) link

(I'm particularly impatient with Nick Cave after watching his performance in the Leonard Cohen "I'm Your Man" thing: he needed a wet mop in his face)

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:36 (ten years ago) link

the fact that this wasn't 5 to 1 sorta disappoints me.

iatee, Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:37 (ten years ago) link

I imagine if mj didn't have 'character issues' people realllly wouldn't have any excuse

iatee, Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:38 (ten years ago) link

i kinda want to do a jackson vs killing joke now, just to see AINYC's reaction to the results.

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:21 (ten years ago) link

you have teh big balls if you do.

Mark G, Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:33 (ten years ago) link

i'm not gonna lie to you, i have trouble sitting

Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:34 (ten years ago) link

Hooray!

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:38 (ten years ago) link

how different would this exercise be if Quincy Jones had produced Nick Cave?

peepee, Thursday, 30 April 2009 12:00 (ten years ago) link

And Blixa Bargeld had played guitar for Jacko?

Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 April 2009 12:07 (ten years ago) link

Considering the artist's respective sales, I reckon the Goth vote held up pretty well.

Preferred Cave well before MJ's 'character issues' started to show, don't need an excuse. Up for Cave's Quincy Jackson album though. Blixa/MJ, not so much.

Soukesian, Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:54 (ten years ago) link

They played this one at the goth club some weeks back and I was like "man, these people know how to choose a particularly stellar all-time-best Nick Cave song". You folks who like Tom Waits, I want you to look me in the eye and tell me why you don't like this.

Smart, Long, Lifephones (Bimble), Sunday, 3 May 2009 03:53 (ten years ago) link

So when is there going to be a Crime and The City Solution vs. Nick Cave poll?

xhuxk, Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:06 (ten years ago) link

Aww...actually I don't know if I even owned a Crime & The City Solution record. I did own one of those ex-Bad Seeds records, but I don't think it was them.

Smart, Long, Lifephones (Bimble), Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:23 (ten years ago) link

Is Alex in NYC 14?

SQUIRREL WITH A PEOPLE FACE (╓abies), Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:13 (ten years ago) link

I don't like Crime and the City Solution as much as Bad Seeds, but These Immortal Souls are on-par.

bendy, Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:15 (ten years ago) link

SQUIRREL WITH A PEOPLE FACE (╓abies), Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:18 (ten years ago) link

Is Alex in NYC 14?

Reverse the digits.

Michael Jackson sucks and, therefore, you suck for liking him.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 3 May 2009 13:08 (ten years ago) link

nine years pass...

I wasn't wrong.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 10 January 2019 22:11 (nine months ago) link

what would be more enjoyable? Cave covering 'Jam' or Jackson covering 'No Pussy Blues'?

― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:12 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cave has eaten jam, at least

― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:13 (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

topical mlady (darraghmac), Friday, 11 January 2019 02:51 (nine months ago) link

you would just like to point out that you have been otm in this thread

sans lep (sic), Friday, 11 January 2019 07:46 (nine months ago) link


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