And oh yeah, Michael rocks harder. So him.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link
And if that's not good enough:
Last Nick Cave album to make my Pazz & Jop ballot: Kicking Against The Pricks, 1986.
Last Michael Jackson album to make my Pazz & Jop ballot: Blood On The Saddle: History In The Mix, 1997.
The titles both rhyme. But MJ stayed great longer. And I overrated that NC album in the first place.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link
A less lopsided battle, maybe:
Scratch Acid vs. Musical Youth
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 14:57 (fourteen years ago) link
nate dogg
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link
what would be more enjoyable? Cave covering 'Jam' or Jackson covering 'No Pussy Blues'?
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:12 (fourteen years ago) link
cave has eaten jam, at least
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link
xp Actually, obviously, on his 1997 album, Michael left a pool of blood on the old dancefloor, not the saddle, as I implied above. (And I will give Nick credit for more strongly inspiring psychobilly cowpunk bands, for whatever that's worth.)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Nick Cave also a much, much better live show, even once you factor in MJ's dancing
I have never seen or waych NC live but considering that, at his peak, MJ was among the best performers ever (his singing/dancing from the J5 to "thriller" is just mindblowing), I have some difficulty with this statement !
― AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:18 (fourteen years ago) link
as different as two live acts can be, surely? MJ the king of the stadium in the late 80's/early 90's.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Nick Cave wakes up in the morning with the thought that his best work lies ahead of him.
The hair dye must have seeped into his brain and made him delusional then. Hard to think of a more boring artist than Nick Cave these days.
― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Michael sings better
I sing better than Nick Cave!
― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
a collabo is making more and more sense to me- Nick Cave sings "Ben" backed with MJ covering "The Carny"
― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
I think MJ can't sing/dance anymore, that said.but I guess the point of the TS is to compare them at their best.
― AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting. (Michael sings better, too. Don't think I've ever seen Nick dance; not sure I want to.)
OTM. I don't understand Cave, like, at all.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
a collab produced but will i am. just writing this makes me sick...
― AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
sounds more like a timbaland joint
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Xpost: I don't understand MJ at all. Seriously. And I've had to put up with his music since the mid-70s.
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Please accept my sympathy
― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
there's not a single track by MJ/J5 that you like at all ?
― AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:33 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'm not going to pick nick cave or michael jackson cause fuck that, but are you dudes seriously making this same fucking stale argument that was retarded when it was first made 3,000 years ago? like are you going to pick ted bundy over robert deniro because he lived the creepy pathologies that deniro acted out in taxi driver?
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Plus, MJ lives (and brings to life in his music) the creepy pathologies that Cave has made a career out of method-acting.
not real sure this is a virtue. do you like actual murderers better than people who write convincingly about them?
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
basically you're saying nick cave is worse because he didn't actually rape children
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
would vote for literally anyone over nick cave
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
HITLER vs nick cave
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
This is really tough! Like way tougher for me than Morrissey v Prince.
― fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link
LOL n/a said it first & better, xpost
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I am assuming Birthday Party is not in (or Jackson 5).
― fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Michael Jackson sale at JC Penney's! Boys' pants ... half off!
Seriously though, this thread might be better served as a repository of Michael Jackson paedo jokes.
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:55 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude it's generation vice donchaknow.
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost: nope, MJ/J5 is/are a complete mystery to me. Just not my thing, and it's not for the want of exposure. Haven't been able to get beyond mild irritation. I'm well aware that I'm in the minority, but I'm sure I'm not the only one.
But then, isn't the point of the thread that this is a completely absurd comparison to make?
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
The difference is that Ted Bundy hasn't written any good songs.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
ha ha ha you're an idiot
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link
I think we should include birthday party and J5... and basically anything they have released/performed.
― AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link
god this bullshit almost made me vote cave/hitler.
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link
margaret thatcher vs. nick cave
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link
vote cave/hitler.
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:08 (23 seconds ago) Bookmark
classic songwriting partnership imo.
― joe, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Again: "BRINGS TO LIFE IN HIS MUSIC." How is that not clear? And the pathologies that Michael Jackson brings to life, and Nick Cave turns into dead-assed kitsch, have a lot more to do with fear and paranoia than raping children.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link
"and brings to life in his music"
Huh?
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link
MJ has written and sung much better songs about his pathologies; it's got nothing to do with sanctioning them. You're the guy bringing Ted Bundy into this when it's a worthless comparison.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Did I miss the MJ songs about cuddling with kids and loving his chimpanzee/giraffe and his Peter Pan fetish?
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link
"Morphine" and "Heal The World" have something to say about chimp-love.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link
jesus christ, all of you are doing my head in
― The-Reverend (rev), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link
vote cave/hitler.― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 17:08 (23 seconds ago) Bookmarkclassic songwriting partnership imo.
lol
― AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link
― joe, Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:09 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
LOL'd very hard
― Just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link
i voted nick just cuz i listen to him more and i'm not going to think about it beyond that
― wassup rockers? (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link
i've never heard a nick cave song, i don't think? not intentionally, anyway. i still voted for nick cave.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link
xp Alfred: the zombies in Thriller represent the children with whom he had improper relations.
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link
then there's that Liberian girl.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link
leave me alone with ben
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link
and obviously, the P.Y.T...
― AleXTC, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link
You were probably thinking about an ear of corn. In fact, according to this website, the term "comes from the Gothic word for 'husk of corn' which was ahs".
― Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Monday, 20 April 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link
xp ian: the goth corn is the one on the far right, right next to the reggae corn.
― photoshop your disgusting ass partner into passive-aggressive notes (sarahel), Monday, 20 April 2009 07:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
This poll is closing tomorrow.
Oy. Thank God!
― Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Yawn.
― Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Thank goodness.
― The-Reverend (rev), Thursday, 30 April 2009 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Pathetic.
― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 30 April 2009 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link
according to the lovers of polls, this settles the question
― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, 30 April 2009 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link
The question being: Are ILM poll-takers tasteless morons? The answer: Most certainly.
― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:14 (fourteen years ago) link
We tasteless morons also like to dance.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link
(I'm particularly impatient with Nick Cave after watching his performance in the Leonard Cohen "I'm Your Man" thing: he needed a wet mop in his face)
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link
the fact that this wasn't 5 to 1 sorta disappoints me.
― iatee, Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link
I imagine if mj didn't have 'character issues' people realllly wouldn't have any excuse
― iatee, Thursday, 30 April 2009 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link
i kinda want to do a jackson vs killing joke now, just to see AINYC's reaction to the results.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:21 (fourteen years ago) link
you have teh big balls if you do.
― Mark G, Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:33 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm not gonna lie to you, i have trouble sitting
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Hooray!
― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 April 2009 09:38 (fourteen years ago) link
how different would this exercise be if Quincy Jones had produced Nick Cave?
― peepee, Thursday, 30 April 2009 12:00 (fourteen years ago) link
And Blixa Bargeld had played guitar for Jacko?
― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 April 2009 12:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Considering the artist's respective sales, I reckon the Goth vote held up pretty well.
Preferred Cave well before MJ's 'character issues' started to show, don't need an excuse. Up for Cave's Quincy Jackson album though. Blixa/MJ, not so much.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
They played this one at the goth club some weeks back and I was like "man, these people know how to choose a particularly stellar all-time-best Nick Cave song". You folks who like Tom Waits, I want you to look me in the eye and tell me why you don't like this.
― Smart, Long, Lifephones (Bimble), Sunday, 3 May 2009 03:53 (fourteen years ago) link
So when is there going to be a Crime and The City Solution vs. Nick Cave poll?
― xhuxk, Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Aww...actually I don't know if I even owned a Crime & The City Solution record. I did own one of those ex-Bad Seeds records, but I don't think it was them.
― Smart, Long, Lifephones (Bimble), Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Is Alex in NYC 14?
― SQUIRREL WITH A PEOPLE FACE (╓abies), Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't like Crime and the City Solution as much as Bad Seeds, but These Immortal Souls are on-par.
― bendy, Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:15 (fourteen years ago) link
― SQUIRREL WITH A PEOPLE FACE (╓abies), Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Reverse the digits.
Michael Jackson sucks and, therefore, you suck for liking him.
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 3 May 2009 13:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I wasn't wrong.
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― topical mlady (darraghmac), Friday, 11 January 2019 02:51 (five years ago) link
you would just like to point out that you have been otm in this thread
― sans lep (sic), Friday, 11 January 2019 07:46 (five years ago) link