Metal Gear V - The Phantom Pain - Spoilers Ahead

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so has anybody played Ground Zeroes after beating TPP?

i thought it was crazy the difference between Big Boss (GZ) and Venom (TPP), it was apparent immediately! the first time you hear BB is when Kaz is briefing you on the mission, telling you about Paz, and BB's first instinct is to "silence her before we're compromised?" it also puts BB's actions during "rescuing" Chico in a new light. i always thought it was a weird thing for him to do to someone he is supposedly friends with, choking Chico out against his will like that. and Chico is scared shitless of BB. maybe he knows BB is bad news, and they are good as dead. for Paz, being rescued by Big Boss is literally a fate worse than death. the horrific forced surgery effectively acting as torture, she was going to die anyways. they are in effect child soldiers, or were recruited as such. MGSV was never meant to be about Big Boss's fall to evil, as that already happened. is GZ the nadir of his career? or did he pick the medic bc they do this shit all the time and he knew how to handle it? especially compared to TPP where you are saving everyone (and every animal) in the world, Ground Zeroes shows how Big Boss is so far gone, so consumed by his and Kaz's ideology, that it would be ridiculous to even pretend he is on some moral level where he can "fall from".

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 26 February 2016 06:54 (five years ago) link

Any thoughts on whether someone ( could go into Metal Gear Online cold without getting completely brutalized? I want to buy PP while it's on sale and I'm curious about MGO but I haven't even finished the first MG or played any of the subsequent games at all. Should I expect an endless stream of snipes to the brainpan or is the environment at all welcoming to newbs?

Lisa Welchel's Madcap Macrame Adventure for Windows 2000 (Old Lunch), Friday, 26 February 2016 15:14 (five years ago) link

i had to give up MGO bc of endless snipes/killing me over and over. getting brutalized seems to be a large part of the experience.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 26 February 2016 17:30 (five years ago) link

nine months pass...

So we have to talk about this, right?

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Friday, 2 December 2016 03:33 (four years ago) link

that scar on Del Toro's head, looks like he's had brain surgery. this looks like it's going to be insane.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 December 2016 12:44 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

i've gone back to playing this after beating Survive. Survive was fun but the end game is exactly the same as the regular game.

really still amazed at how well put together MGSV is. Kojima was given several impossible tasks:

- create an origin story for somebody who already has 3 origin story games (MGS3, PO, PW)
- create an interesting ending to that story while keeping in mind everybody already knows how it ends since the first Metal Gear
- tell origin stories for all the later MGS-era characters
- connect the Big Boss games to the Solid Snake games (technologically the series loops in on itself. imagine making a brand new HD Mario with a story that ends at the start of Super Mario Bros.)
- do all this while watching the axe fall in slow motion (in fact the axe cut off a limb (GZ) and was ready to fall again)

it makes sense that the second half of MGSV is new game+, concerned with doing missions, FOB defense, etc. after the intro starting in 1984 there really aren't many allusions to the time period, so it all takes place over the following decade (which would put it square up against MG in the timeline). from the start the whole game is about building up your base, recruiting the worst private mercs and warlords to be in your personal army. in effect you are literally building up the main bad guy's army in the first Metal Gear, single-handedly, one soldier at a time.

i really like how the "Shining Lights, Even in Dark" mission parallels the first hospital prologue. both are the linear story based missions in the game. both directly lead into the opening/ending of the game. in the intro, it is a trial by fire, survival is the name of the game, from the perspective of a wounded soldier. in the "Shining Lights", you have completed the transformation to villain by killing your own soldiers in order to hold onto your WMDs. it is now the perspective of the commander, the solider's lives are there for your disposal.

honestly can't imagine why people think the story is unfinished or they never showed Big Boss as a bad guy. they do all of that but they do it even one better: Big Boss doesn't simply corrupt himself, he takes a wounded soldier (a medic! - symbolism!!!) and transforms him into a power hungry killer. brilliant.

anyways, just thoughts, triggered by still seeing the "unfinished" complaint (which reads more and more like outsized gamer entitlement) on the webs.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 April 2018 18:07 (three years ago) link

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