Theistic Satanism

u kno what tho i remember that they had to drag u kicking and screaming into the brave new tumblr world so i guess it'll take you twice as long for it to wear off as well

historically (its roots in official church witch-hunters rather than local/regional lynch mobs like Salem) it feels like the "they were a witch" functions similarly to "they were armed". as a cover-up for state abuse.

if you have any interest in this stuff i highly recommend "Compendium Maleficarum", a manual written for the Franciscan order in 1608, detailing many reports and cases. once you resolve the fantasy elements and realize what they are actually describing, it is horrific stuff far worse and far more common than the Salem Witch Trials.

u kno what tho i remember that they had to drag u kicking and screaming into the brave new tumblr world

Tumblr world, tumblr world... I geddit, I is become a SJW! I hear a lot about those guys in the comments under news stories. Apparently they are a problem of our modern age.

Naw, the evil witches thing has bothered me since I was a kid. I don't like the reliance on ugly/old/deformed/dark-clad (or dark-skinned) monster villains in fantasy, either ¯\(°_°)/¯

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there's def uncomfortable race stuff in the way Tolkien describes his hordes of "swarthy" bad guys

something else that owned - KKK grand wizard gandalf leading the charge against a bunch of savage hottentots in Rotk, i swear some of those shots were straight out of birth of a nation

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there's something royally fucked up about all fantasy stories wherein an entire race of sentient beings is irredeemably evil by dint of birth tbh

jfc we really are re-living the 80s

http://nypost.com/2017/03/03/gang-members-charged-with-killing-woman-in-satanic-ritual/

(I can't find the 80s Satanic Panic thread - I thought there was one?)

the totally insane true story behind the 1970s film and book Sybil

ah right. yeah that thread drifted a bit from its title lol...

I've been reading Dan Barker's God: The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction and I'm curious whether any metal bands ever played straight with the sociopath from the Torah. You know, all the good news like Psalm 137:9 "How blessed will be the one who seizes your young children and pulverizes them against the cliff!"

jfc we really are re-living the 80s

El Salvador was called "the world’s most homicidal country" by the Guardian in a 2015 story, noting that "Even Iraq – with its civil war, suicide bombings, mortar attacks and US drone strikes – could not match such a lethal start to the week." i imagine these gangs do worse things than collecting Satanic statues. this story doesn't tell us about drugs or human trafficking.

which is par for the course for Satanic panic. i tried looking up Madonna Kabbalah videos and was flooded with "jewish black magic" youtube shit-tier anti-NWO propoganda.

Sanpaku, that particular psalm is by an enslaved people about the overthrow of their oppressors. what context does Barker take it in?

Barker is an ex-evangelist preacher whose been a avowed and very public atheist for decades. His book is essentially a once source shop for all the misogyny, racism, genocide, etc. in the OT (maybe he gets to the NT later in). However, the sheer mass of remarks from YHWH that would be considered rather evil in the modern context is certainly enough for a few albums of verbatim death metal.

so this guy has made his career preaching those bad things and now he's making a career off them still. good for him. he doesn't sound like a very spiritual person to me.

God does seem to have his darker side. this only makes since, if He is everything, then of course he is the bad stuff too. the root of all demonic lore is in the esoteric post-Christian OT DLCs

P sure there are OT death metal bands (even Jewish ones!) But I'll defer to Mordy on this pt.

Barker is an ex-evangelist preacher whose been a avowed and very public atheist for decades.

Places him among what could be the most cynical group of people on earth.

I'd place the root at Zoroastrianism, and its cosmic battle between Ahura Mazda and Ahriman, which certainly had its influence during the Achaemenid period in Palestine from 539 BC to 330 BC. That's were the monotheistic religions obtained the devil, afterlife, heaven, hell, messianism, and free will, of which there's little evidence prior to the Babylonian captivity. Shaitan was just a court servant of YHWH in Job.

Aside: the Achaemenids are *such* a fascinating period. Cyrus the Great as the first emperor of a multi-ethnic/multi-cultural empire and arguably the first liberal. Jesus of Nazareth was speaking the lingua franca of the Achaemenid empire (Aramaic) five centuries later (and after 3 centuries of Greek/Roman rulers).

I LIEK SATAN

There is a crossover Jewish band called Christkiller that is p dope. Their first album was called Nailed It. They are that kinda band

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Awesome tracklisting:

http://www.allmusic.com/album/nailed-it%21-mw0002832945

Track Listing
1
Christ Killer
2
Legacy of Hebrewtality
3
From The Dreidel To The Grave
4
Yom Kippur/Bong Ripper
5
Ignorance Is Bris
6
Mazel Tov Cocktail
7
11: Thou Shalt Thrash
8
Repentless

I'm curious whether any metal bands ever played straight with the sociopath from the Torah. You know, all the good news like Psalm 137:9 "How blessed will be the one who seizes your young children and pulverizes them against the cliff!"

― Sanpaku

Funeral Mist - Blessed Curse. Lyrics are all verbatim Deuteronomy verses, and the sample is from an exposition of Psalm 75:8.

I'd place the root at Zoroastrianism

That's were the monotheistic religions obtained the devil, afterlife, heaven, hell, messianism, and free will

since we are leaving Satanism and the that heirarchy of spiritual beings / magical knowledge, you can easily look past Zoroastrianism. Akhenaten instituted a monotheistic cult in Egypt a thousand years before your date, and had existed for a thousand years before then. the religion of the ancient Egyptians features heavily in the OT, famously as Moses had a showdown vs Egyptian magicians, who could pretty much match everything YHWH can do. clearly the people who wrote the Books of Moses were studied in the Egyptian mysteries. the Egyptian religious tradition itself date back to at least 3000BC. The Book of the Dead dates back to 2400BC and includes a heaven (The Field of Reeds or The Horizon) and afterlife with a final judgement (the weighing of the heart by Ammit the Eater of Souls) as well as complex metaphysical cosmology with evil forces battling good. Osiris is the sort of central Christ figure, the son of God, a virgin birth who is betrayed, killed, and brought back to life.

when discussing Theistic Satanism imo the monotheism/polytheism dichotomy becomes meaningless. once you accept a heirarchy of multiple supernatural entities all w unique personalities interacting w one another then is it really monotheism anymore?

Adam can you rec some book(s) on these Egyptian-Old Testament crosscurrents? (Well not crosscurrents I guess... currents).

Egypt was the hedgemon over Palestine for much of the Bronze age, so I wouldn't discount an influence, but the scholars seem to think the OT arose from the Canaanite tradition, with El as the father/sky god, Asherah his consort, Baal as the Osiris/Christ-like son and reborn character. Each locality had its patron that syncretized El with local flavor: Chemosh in Moab, Bethel in Tyre, Yahweh in Edom and thence Judea. The priests of the Jerusalem temple took the unusual stance forbidding worship of other members of the pantheon, but the populace largely ignored this until after the priestly castes returned from Babylon in 539 BCE.

However, the question for this thread is where did a devil, a force of evil, come into the picture. Its largely absent from the Mesopotamian, Egyptian, or Canaanite pantheons. No such creature appears in the older parts of the Torah. ha-Satan was a member of El/Yahweh's court, a legal adversary, but not a force of evil. Only with the 2nd century BCE Septuagint is "ha-Satan" translated as the Greek diabolos (slanderer). So, somewhere between when most of the OT was redacted in the 6th century, and sometime in the 2nd century, did a force of evil come into its interpretation.

Egypt was week during this period. Achaemenid Persia was the suzerain. And the state religion of Persia had a devil like entity, Ahriman.

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These are pretty good. I don't know what people think of E. A. Wallis Budge, many of the esoteric writers were of questionable character, but I find his translations pretty intriguing. Any book on late dynasty Egyptian art will probably have good stuff on Roman-Christian influences and conquests. Coptics and other groups gouged away at temple carvings, destroying entire walls of art and culture thousands of years old, as well as placing Coptic graffiti on top of the Egyptian artwork. In some temples this messy mix of cultures creates and interesting layered effect, looking through time, akin to looking at a cross-section of the Earth in the Grand Canyon.

I don't think where did evil come from is the question of this thread. There has been different forms in cultures all over the world. It is a universe thing, just as a creation myth.

I thought this thread title dealt with specifically: age-old Satanic death cults, the boogey man that the Inquisition, Ronald Reagan, and Geraldo warned you about: are they real?

No, they aren't, and never were.

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This should be required reading for the thread. Compendium Maleficarum is a witch-hunter's manual written in Latin by Francesco Maria Guazzo, and published in Milan, Italy in 1608. It's like the worst police blotter ever, all crimes stamped with "Unsolved".

I do not like green eggs and ham
My soul belongs to Abalam
Hell's fire pit will soon emerge
You'll feel the sting of Apollyon's scourge
Behold the Antichrist's rebirth
His armies shall invade the Earth
Fire, screaming, gnashing teeth
Our future home, it lies beneath
As for your delicacy
It is a triviality
Put down that plate of eggs and ham
And lead the Horde, oh Sam-I-Am

This American Life 666: The Theme That Shall Not Be Named

Goat blood taste like shit

goat blood: not the greatest of all time

I'm just gonna leave this here:

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What a name

Every time this thread gets bumped I'm reminded of

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