He said it.
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link
― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Let's steal Steve's bandwidth and ignore his copyright!, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link
Regarding your perspective on using/modifying/etc other people work. I see no problem with that. But by your own definition, when you guys link to my images in such a way that my site is never visible to the end user, you are clearly using my work whether small or large effort, and giving me absolutely no credit for it. Trust me, I do a bit of perl coding. cpan.org is my friend. I don't believe in creating any script from scratch. But when I use a module or script that someone else has written, I take the time to drop them an email and say thank you... No, I am not an angel. I've reached a point in my life where it's easier and less worries to pay for my sattelite channels rather than get a decoder. I pay for shareware that I use, and when I needed office for my mac, I convinced my boss to buy it for me. As I've gotten older, pushing 40 now, I have become much more aware that people who create things are not adequately rewarded. I have a bunch of mp3's believe it or not, if there is something I download hat I like and will listen to more than once or twice, I usually buy the CD... Although I'll likely buy it used on Amazon, so really the artists and the record company don't get shit.
I think the biggest thing that I disagree with you on is your attitude when confronted about using someone elses stuff. If you get caught. be responsive. if the owner wants you to stop, then stop. If you feel it at all, apologize...
and finally, is it really so burdensome to ask for permission before using something, or posting a link instead of an inline pull? Is it that hard to be sure that the person whose work you are using gets credit for the work?
I'm assuming the original link from this board was for a photo of SF. if Ally had emailed and said that you guys were having a dick comparison sessions between several large cities, and did I have any images to offer, I would have been happy to come up with a half a dozen really nice shots of SF. I would have felt good about it. Ally would have had photos... It all would have been cool. But that's not how it worked...
fwiw... If you follow politics.. The Republicans released a photo about a week ago of John Kerry sitting a couple of rows behind Jane Fonda (aka to vets as Hanoi Jane) at an anti war rally in the 70s. The effort was to link him to her radicalism. Only problem was that they never even met at that rally, and it was two years before Jane Fonda went to Viet Nam. The photo was taken 30 years ago. That photographer, because he has partnered with Corbis is making money on that image today. Corbis will chase down anyone who attempts to use that photo without the correct permissions.Because of copyright laws, and his ability to enforce or have them enforced, the photographer is making money on an image that he probably never made much money on before now.
― Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link
Lot of dick swinging in this thread.
― ModJ (ModJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link
I think Mike's and my assumption upthread a bit just got proved.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:26 (twenty years ago) link
Astounded a the amount of copyright violation happening/condoned on this thread, pissed off because of the 'tude here and the casual way you steal from me and others, and entertained while confounding you all... It's been a full fun filled day.
One point that I wanted to make is this: You (the generic you) may think that you can flaunt copyright law and use a persons images/content any way you want with impunity. On one level you are right, you are probably a punk kid with no assets worth chasing down. However the community in which you operate, meaning the provider that hosts thisserver, and other businesses are vulnerable, and a company like cnn or Disney will pursue them if someone makes enough noise. Wouldn't you feel real stupid if your provider pulled the plug on this board for violating their acceptable use policy after a nasty letter from Disney's copyright enforcement office? It's not beyond the realm of possibilities. It may not be quite the right page, but this link should give you an idea of the kind of legaleze your are up against... http://www.keypoint.com.au/agreement.html
You (the generic you and the community inclusive you) are vulnerable and accountable for your actions online. Period.
― Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:35 (twenty years ago) link
Now you're just going out of your way to be an obnoxious sockfucker.
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago) link
and entertained while confounding you all...
You do realise how ridiculous and pompous this sounds, right?
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:53 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:55 (twenty years ago) link
You spend your off-hours playing RPG games, don't you?
― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
For the record, almost the entirety of my posts and I'm pretty sure most of JBR's posts (being as we have the most amount of pic posts on this thread) are our own fucking photos off our own fucking webpages, you obnoxious cockfarmer. Jesus Christ, get over yourself. Your fucking image was deleted and, quite frankly, no one in the entire world would've been nasty to you if you hadn't come in and acted like an jackoff ramming a bee stick up his ass from the get go. You couldn't even see the words "Moderation Request" on the bottom of the page and you rush in and lose your mind on the reading skills of people who, quite honestly, didn't go to your page to begin with. Whoops, sorry.
On the upside, I was afraid you were a NYer. But you aren't! So no blight on us. I was afraid you were taking a careful stance to prove Nick right about us.
― Allyzay, Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:23 (twenty years ago) link
It is precisely this attitude of entitlement and open flouting of legal and ethical behavior that I find so offensive. The hypocritical element is just frosting on your cake of moral turpitude.
Mr. Steve on the law, part 2:
stop and smell the kine buds
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:29 (twenty years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:30 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:32 (twenty years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:39 (twenty years ago) link
I do photography too, and I put it online. I agree, credit should be respected, but why would I complain if my pics appeared elsewhere - its good exposure. "But no one knows theyre mine!" you might say.
Well, thats why I'd be smart and put a clear copyright watermark with my name etc ON EVERY PHOTO ON MY SITE. There, your getting credit problem is solved, and if you dont mind about bandwidth, what other issue is there?
Sure being asked is nice but were it me, I'd be pleased to see my pics with my name on them all over the web personally.
― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:45 (twenty years ago) link
http://bitchcakes.topcities.com/garethfap/phoneconfusion.jpg
― Allyzay, Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:49 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:55 (twenty years ago) link
Ally and Tom could sue me for stealing their infinitely amusing fake e-mail thing
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:56 (twenty years ago) link
Misstatements of law by lay-persons v. Failure to teach legal principles to citizens generally FITE
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago) link
I don't care if 90% of the image tags point to images owned by you guys. It's very apparent to me that many of the images posted in this thread are being stolen. I have no interest in filing lawsuits against you penniless little worms, but every time you go and shoot off your mouth about what a sock fucker I am and all that sanctimonoius crap you're spewing, I'm tempted to send out an email to each of the victims of your theft - including the big guys that might just be looking for a good test case to establish some case law. Isn't your ISP the biggest one in Autstralia?? Hmmmm.... Wanna see if all the people you are stealing from think what you are doing is cool? I don't think so. Also, since I've so clearly spelled out the unlawful activity (yeah, debate it in front of a civil judge if you want, I consider it unlawful and there is case history to back me up), when the complaints hit your provider etc etc, it'll be clear that you guys were notified, warned, and had ample opportunity to remedy the widespread copyright violations that are all over this thread -- and yet you took no action...
But never fear, I'm sure your provider is willing to fight the good fight for you guys, go to bat against the legal department at ESPN/Disney/CNN etc to establish that what you guys are doing is just fine and dandy... Sure, that's exactly what your provider is gonna do... If I were you guys, I'd be looking forward to it. I'm sure it'll be exciting...
You guys are fools. I've been having fun pounding home my point that what you guys are doing is wrong, even if it's commonplace. The quality of the arguments from your side have been good -- for a bunch of fourth grade special education students. I have grown weary of you all and this topic.
And yes, since this whole thing started out with you stealing from me, I have tried to be an asshole to you all. Of course this whole thing has been ridiulous and pompous. Thanks for playing along... Fuck you very much.
Note, this is not a threat, this is not extortion. If you guys continue to link to images on my site, I wll search for and find every instance of image theft, deep linking and any other copyright violations and notify the victims (I'm sure they'll be pleased to know you've been punking them) as well as all of your providers, they have acceptable use policies. I'm sure they'll enjoy seeing the postings where you say, "fuck it, I know it's wrong but I'm doing it anyway, what are you gonnna do about it sock fucker??". That is not a threat, that is a promise. Leave me and my site alone, and I'll leave you alone. Fuck with me with me and you better hope you don't so much as spit on the sidewalk next to the building where your server is located... Because I'll be there to call attention to it.
I'm outta here...
Have a nice life kids...
stevem
― Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Thursday, 19 February 2004 00:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:04 (twenty years ago) link
stevem isn't an asshole. he only has hair.
― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:04 (twenty years ago) link
When was the first ILM post? Sometime in 2000?
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago) link
x-post. : /
― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:06 (twenty years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:07 (twenty years ago) link
And if Labyrinth is "Australias largest ISP" I'll eat my hat. My several friends who work there will find that terribly hilarious actually.
― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:13 (twenty years ago) link
― bnw doing it again (bnw), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago) link
― dA oRiGeNaL sTeVEm!, Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:15 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:15 (twenty years ago) link
I mean, good lord, Trayce OTM, as someone trying to get attention for your photography, do it in a positive fashion. I'd be pleased too, and am pleased when this happens to me. If the issue is bandwidth, which happened when I was at the newspaper, a polite email was generally all it took to stop anything from going on. I sure as hell wouldn't have gone on a website ranting maniacally about how I'm going to take down all and sundry supposed illiterates garnering myself and the publication I worked for a bunch of ill-will and ridicule.
It's just horrible fucking marketing and as a fan of popular shite, I can't condone that.
― Allyzay, Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:15 (twenty years ago) link
― dA oRiGeNaL sTeVEm!, Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Allyzay, Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link
can we just delete alt.stevem's pics and links to and just lock the thread now?
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 February 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link