Why I Love Country Music

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So maybe it's radio that I hate. (I don't listen to pop radio because it's annoying.) I just reserved three Montgomery Gentry CDs at the library. We'll see...

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 5 December 2003 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

Do you like Def Leppard? Pick up a Shania Twain cd.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 5 December 2003 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

Also: Marty Stuart. Don't sleep on him. (Chuck hates him I think, maybe not.) Country Music is probably my favorite country music album of the year.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 5 December 2003 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

Dolly Parton "Baby I'm Burnin'" vs Exile "Kiss You All Over"

dave q, Friday, 5 December 2003 19:46 (twenty years ago) link

Sure, Morrissey and Country Dude both write songs they hope people will love -- but surely love for different reasons? (Note: I'm just playing devil's advocate here.)

Clarke B., Friday, 5 December 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

Taverns always make for better drinking than clubs.

...and might a i also site the likes of:

Waylon Jennings
Connie Smith
Ernest Tubb

also see, What is Country?

christoff (christoff), Friday, 5 December 2003 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

Actually I think there are artists who write more to express themselves than to please other people. Maybe Morrissey was a bad example.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 5 December 2003 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

Also, lots of people are more likely to be entertained and pleased by music where it's not so obvious that the objective is to Entertain and Please.

Clarke B., Friday, 5 December 2003 20:03 (twenty years ago) link

TS: fun, interesting friend vs. friend who tries too hard to be liked

Clarke B., Friday, 5 December 2003 20:03 (twenty years ago) link

Actually I think there are artists who write more to express themselves than to please other people. Maybe Morrissey was a bad example.

i think nearly all artists of all stripes do it for both reasons.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 5 December 2003 20:04 (twenty years ago) link

The latter is good if you want someone else to pay your way.

xpost

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 5 December 2003 20:04 (twenty years ago) link

As soon as I realized that the main reason for me hating it is because I grew up with a lot of people who loved it uncritically and was being a corny-ass "rebel" for all these years, I opened up to country radio a lot. Just listen to it during drive-time or something. You'll like some stuff and not-like other stuff. It won't have anything to do with fake twang or sociology or anything.

on the fucking money!

I've said this before, but what I like about mainstream, radio-friendly country music is the songcraft (Nashville still has a stable of mighty fine writers) and the subject matter.

This is music for the masses, buy it at wal-mart, dance to it every saturday night (dancing culture is HUGE in country, by the way) and it's addressing some really intense subject matter in a very adult way. It's talking about the emotions and issues that come with being married and having kids and growing older, and I don't get that anywhere else in pop music and rarely anywhere else either.

Here are a couple from the top 20 Country chart last week.

http://www.countrylyrics.circularmoney.com/kennychesneytheregoesmylifelyrics.html.html
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/atkins-rodney/honestly-write-me-a-list-10202.html

teeny (teeny), Friday, 5 December 2003 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

oh teeny you rule
I too like that Chesney song
it's corny...but true!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 5 December 2003 20:16 (twenty years ago) link

Sure it's true, but I want someone to tell me the truth interestingly, to bring a new angle on the truth. That Chesney song is so Hollywood -- it resonates because it confirms things we know to be true... but so what? I don't need to be told something I already know in a way that I'm already tired of. Form over content!!!!!

Clarke B., Friday, 5 December 2003 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

What I posted on a different thread a few months ago (some of which probably repeats some things I already said, but what the heck):

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There's a war going on and shit, so I don't have time to argue with y'all much, so I'm just going to cut and paste a couple things I posted on other threads a few months ago and leave it at that. First:
Best Tim McGraw Album: Place in the Sun.
Best songs on Tim McGraw's new album: Comfort Me, Tickin' Away, Red Ragtop, That's Why God Made Mexico, Illegal, Sing Me Home, Who Are They, Tiny Dancer.
Best Tim McGraw song to mention the Village Voice: Who Are They.
Best Tim McGraw song mentioned by My Name is Kenny: Where The Green Grass Grows
Second-Best Tim McGraw song mentioned by My Name is Kenny: Refried Dreams
Best Tim McGraw song to rewrite "Indian Reservation" by the Raiders:
Indian Outlaw
Best recent song by Tim McGraw's wife: One
Best early song by Tim McGraw's wife: Wild One
Another song by Tim McGraw's wife that's just as good: The Secret of Life
One Album which would be immeasurably better if Tim McGraw was the singer: 69 Love Songs
Best songs on Kenny Chesney's most recent album: Young, Big Star
Best song on Kenny Chesney's Greatest Hits album: How Forever Feels
Best country album of 2002: Toby Keith, *Unleashed
Best country single of 2002: Ty Herndon, "Heather's Wall"
Best Taylor Dayne single of 2002: LeAnn Rimes, "Life Goes On"
Best country album of 2001: Montgomery Gentry, *Carrying On
Best rock album of 2001: Montgomery Gentry, *Carrying On
Best anything album of 2001: Montgomery Gentry, *Carrying On
Best songs on Montgomery Gentry's current album: Break My Heart Again, Free Fall
One band that *might* rock harder than Montgomery Gentry: Turbonegro

-- chuck (cedd...), March 28th, 2003.


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And now this (from my Pazz and Jop ballot of a couple months back):
In Nashville country, there are producers (Mutt Lange, most obviously) as enamored of middle-eastern modes as Timbaland is, and other boundaries are being exploded left and right. Faith Hill and Toby Keith are singing what amounts to soul music, and Montgomery Gentry are rocking as hard as any garage-revival band in Detroit, and LeAnn Rimes is making full-fledged disco albums, and Brooks and Dunn are collaborating on stage with Sheila E. Most rock critics can't hear any of it, of course, but they still think Wilco are brave for tip-toeing outside of alt-country, which may well be the blandest, most conservative, most whitebread-anal-compulsive sub-genre in rock history. How come when alt-country bores stretch a little it's considered godhead, but when Nashville types, who've been doing it unabashedly for years, do it, it's considered the essence of cheese? How come rock critics never fully embraced the Dixie Chicks, who I often love (the album rocks fine until it slows down halfway in), until they retreated back into acoustic *O Brother* bluegrass? I considered voting for "Long Time Gone" as a single, but its stupid pandering line about Haggard and Cash pisses me off. You don't hear rock people whining in their songs about how modern rock music doesn't sound like Elvis and Chuck Berry, do you?


-- chuck (cedd...), March 28th, 2003.

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 20:28 (twenty years ago) link

The all-new contemporary mainstream country thread

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 20:30 (twenty years ago) link

Brooks and Dunn are collaborating on stage with Sheila E

Ringo Starr must be the connection.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 December 2003 20:30 (twenty years ago) link

Nashville Types Who Don't Suck

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 20:31 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0349/eddy.php

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 20:33 (twenty years ago) link

You don't hear rock people whining in their songs about how modern rock music doesn't sound like Elvis and Chuck Berry, do you?

oh this would make me
so happy; especially
Justin or Pharrell!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 5 December 2003 20:34 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0337/eddy.php

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

>>Dolly Parton "Baby I'm Burnin'" vs Exile "Kiss You All Over" <<

Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton "Islands in the Stream"

or maybe

Terri Gibbs "Somebody's Knockin" (same rhythm as Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" or Lou Gramm's "Midnight Blue," not to mention Robert Johnson style devil words. And the singer is a blind woman, no less.)

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, I have this incredible knack for killing country threads. And they inevitably die just when they're starting to get interesting, too...weird.

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

i agree with chuck in theory (i.e. we shouldn't dismiss pop country, there are problems with much alt country) but i don't think pop country is best used as a stick with which to beat alt country. it's not an either-or thing nor should be...

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

(i think i tend to gravitate toward music whose fans are the least prone to hyperbole...)

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

Eddie Rabbit "Someone Could Lose a Heart" vs Cure "A Forest"

dave q, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

Eddie Rabbit "I Love a Rainy Night" vs. Bob Dylan "Subterranean Homesick Blues"

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:22 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know much abt this stuff, but I hear some of it at the rec shop where I work, and there seems to be another level of 'contemporary country' bands/artists that are like halfway between alt. country and Shania/Garth/the 'mainstream' pop-country stuff - Be-Good Tanias, Laura Cantrell, the Waifs, even Allison Krauss - you know, post-'O Brother' authenticity, tasteful modern production+instruments, conventionally harmonic singing, only v. discrete use of beats/samples and whatnot. There's also Steve Earle, whose last alb 'Jerusalem' seemed a brave move and a great mainstream rock rec (it sounds a bit like Green on Red, too!) - is he alt. country, nu country, what?

Here in the UK, I'd never heard of Tim McGraw until Will Oldham did a fantastic cover of one of his songs on a covers ep. Oldham also led me to David Allen Coe and Dick Gaughin. His song 'I See A Darkness' works like a dream on the third Johnny Cash 'American' alb. I'm not sure these divisions between alt. and mainstream country are as set in stone as all that - Oldham, Wilco, whoever, seem to stand in relation to today's country music in the same way that Dylan, the Band, the Byrds etc. stood in relation to the contemporary country of their day - a wary, parasitic, mostly one-way relationship, but some kind of relationship nonetheless

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

yeah but think how much future generations of mainstream country musicians took from the byrds and dylan and perhaps even more the eagles who were no doubt direct descendents of gram parsons et al...

so actually i'm agreeing w/you and going you one further.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:26 (twenty years ago) link

kd land = Lou Reed of college country?

dave q, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

'lang' even ('kd land' is a freudian slip compatriots will understand)

dave q, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

(key to country = Kiss "Hard Luck Woman" doesn't make it because the LYRICS ARE SO FUCKIN' SHITTY)

dave q, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

And at the same time it's Garth Brooks' fave Kiss song.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:34 (twenty years ago) link

Well, his taste in covers is pretty bad. If he was going to do a Billy Joel song "Don't Ask Me Why" or something would've been a better choice

dave q, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

Andrew kinda has a good point about the middle ground between Nashville country and alt country (which, like all genre designations, are impossible to pin down themselves), which middle ground i think might start with the obvious '70s outlaws and then with what in the '80s were called "new traditionalists" and eventually turned into "Americana" or "adult alternative" or whatever: John Anderson (who I've always loved), KT Oslin (ditto, and she wasn't afraid to flirt with disco, by the way) Ricky Skaggs, George Strait, Randy Travis, Dwight Yoakam, Reba McEntire, the Judds, Mary Chapin Carpenter, KD Lang, Lyle Lovett, Steve Earle, Shelby Lynne, etc. Some of whom are still on country radio, some of whom aren't, some of whom suck, most of whom don't at least some of the time, a couple of whom are obviously superstars by now. In fact, it's kinda weird that people like the Dixie Chicks and Toby Keith and Joe Dee Messina aren't thought of as continuing in THAT lineage. Though maybe they are. I guess it just depends who's doing the thinking.

There's also the whole question of how it's always really funny to hear Brits talk about country; I loved looking at the NME's country end of the year lists back in the '80s -- it's like they were on another planet or something. (Australians, too, though one of the weird things in recent years is how many new country stars actually COME from Australia. It's like the new Canada. Or something.)

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:38 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, isn't Dick Gaughan almost like Richard Thompson or something? (Or am I confusing him with somebody?)

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

austrailia has been gaga for country forever. one of the major country music research archives, now housed at UNC i think, is named after a australian country music collector who died young.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:40 (twenty years ago) link

it's the john edwards memorial foundation i think.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 5 December 2003 22:41 (twenty years ago) link

Snippet of lyrics from "Good Way to Get on My Bad Side" by Tracy Byrd with Marc Chesnutt (Chuck, do you know this one?):

"I like Van Halen and I like George Jones
Charlie Daniels and the Rollin' Stones
Bocephus when he rocks and rolls still kills me
There oughtta be a law against cowboy rap, (you're right)
And all that boy band crap, a little sissy in a cowboy hat in country
No

That's a good way, that's a real good way
That's a good way to get on my bad side"

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

is "youre right" an editorial comment from broheems or part of the song?

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:08 (twenty years ago) link

Nope, it's meant to demarcate the part sung by the other guy (I don't know which is which, honestly), response-style.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

re Aus - ('Totally Hot' vs 'Physical') vs ('Pyromania' vs 'Hysteria')

dave q, Friday, 5 December 2003 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

(vs 'Fear of Music'/'Remain in Light') (the trombone solo on "Talk to Me" on 'TH' alludes to Defunkt's downtown sound!)

dave q, Friday, 5 December 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

I never heard that one, but it sure does look like a Kid Rock song.

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 23:30 (twenty years ago) link

i love how half the country is like "i like everything but country and rap", a quarter is like "i like country fuck rap" and the last quarter is like "i like rap fuck country" (cf. de la soul track where rednecks talk stupid shit as george jones plays in the background)...

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

wedged somewhere in there is the rest of us.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, you're right abt Gaughan being a folkie, but nowadays a lot of modern country recs don't sound that diff to me from modern folk recs, or Richard Thompson recs, or whatever

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:32 (twenty years ago) link

>>i love how half the country is like "i like everything but country and rap", a quarter is like "i like country fuck rap" and the last quarter is like "i like rap fuck country" (cf. de la soul track where rednecks talk stupid shit as george jones plays in the background).<

But where does that leave Bubbba Sparxxx, David Banner, Kid Rock, Nappy Roots, Toby Keith, and all of those kind of people who do both?

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 23:35 (twenty years ago) link

see next post: "wedged somewhere in there is the rest of us."

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 5 December 2003 23:36 (twenty years ago) link

Oh wait, I guess they're with the rest of us! Sorry (Actually Charlie Daniels was the biggest country rapper of all, you know.)

chuck, Friday, 5 December 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link


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