Wesley Willis R.I.P.

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actually on 20 seconds' reflection i guess the political analogies might confuse the situation. certainly wesley never did anyone any real harm, like amin or reagan. so i retract that.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

whoah. crosspost.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

am otm in his (second to) last point, obviously. none of us are going out and scrawling WESLEY WILLIS SUCKS OVER LONDON outside the funeral.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:58 (twenty years ago) link

(also, when i die, people are free to react however they want, including scrawling JESS SUXX HE R ALL DEAD in 50 foot letters outside my funeral. i fully expect it in fact.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:59 (twenty years ago) link


Wesley Willis R.I.P.

http://www.alternativetentacles.com/news.php?sd=U44fjr6Wacz8tU5CycQ#165

08/22/03: Rock Star Wesley Willis Dead at 40

Dear Friends and fellow Wesleynauts,
We are deeply saddened to report that one of our artists, Wesley Willis passed away yesterday, Thursday, August 21st. Wesley will be greatly missed by all that had the privilege to know him, as well as the fans who have been fortunate enough to experience his genius.

Wesley was diagnosed with Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia (CML) at the end of 2002, and had to undergo emergency surgery on June 2nd to identify the source of, and to suppress internal bleeding. It is not clear if this bleeding was related to his leukemia or not, and the exact cause of death is still unknown. Wesley had been recovering at a Hospice in Illinois, and since the surgery his health had deteriorated rapidly.

His songs were simultaneously disturbing, hilarious, blunt, and intoxicating. Wesley's sheer excitement and unaffected honesty about every cultural phenomenon, defined his music as truly individual, and truly punk rock.

Wesley released well over 50 albums - 3 of which are on Alternative Tentacles, and a 4th, entitled, Wesley Willis Greatest Hits Vol. 3 (CD) had already been scheduled for release in October of this year.

For more information on Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia, please visit http://leukemia-lymphoma.org .

Currently there are no plans for any funeral service but we will inform you if there will be.

-- Sam J. (xp75hid0...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:02 AM. (samjeff) (later) (link)

Answers

RIP

-- s1utsky (parrisactava...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:05 AM. (slutsky) (later) (link)

RIP

-- dleone (d_leon...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:06 AM. (dleone) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Ned Raggett (ne...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:07 AM. (Ned) (later) (link)

RIP

-- nickalicious (nza2342...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:09 AM. (nickalicious) (later) (link)

RIP

-- nickalicious (nza2342...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:12 AM. (nickalicious) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Dale the Titled (cpre...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:12 AM. (cprek) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Horace Mann (handsomishbo...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:12 AM. (Horace Mann) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Spinktor the Unmerciful (kentuckysharkwhiske...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:13 AM. (mawill5) (later) (link)


RIP

-- Spinktor the Unmerciful (kentuckysharkwhiske...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:15 AM. (mawill5) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Horace Mann (handsomishbo...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:17 AM. (Horace Mann) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Spinktor the Unmerciful (kentuckysharkwhiske...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:23 AM. (mawill5) (later) (link)

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

either wesley willis made art or he didn't. if he did, then in his death assessment of that body of work is not only inevitable but necessary. (okay, maybe not in his case. but people didn't lock all extant information on picasso in a vault when the old guy finally kicked, never to be unearthed again.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

assessment is fine, I just don't think its a good idea on a thread where people (myself included) are getting their first news about his death.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

and yes, i guarantee that obits for celebrities and artists WITHIN DAYS OF THEIR DEATHS contain even minor, piddling examination of their work and its context.

(x-post.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:03 (twenty years ago) link

this thread isn't an obituary.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

what concerns me is that the first few posts DID contain assessments of Wesley's work, only they were glowingly positive ones. is this simply a case where if you don't have anything nice to say...etc. i'd buy that if that's what you are actually saying.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:06 (twenty years ago) link

I'd understand umbrage if this had turned into a big Willis hate-fest, which would probably be inappropriate. But expressing regret and also adding that one didn't like his music, what's really the problem with that?

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

its just kinda insensitive to really rip on someone (even if it is just for their art) less than 24 hours after they died.but i guess people have the right to say it,but i would just give it some time if i had some really negative critical comments to say about the dude (which i pretty much dont)

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

None of this matters, no point in arguments. The man is dead. Mourning time.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

Wesley was a good person. Wesley made some fun music. Wesley had psychological problems. The world was better with Wesley in it.

go fuck yourself, jess.

Seconded.

J (Jay), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

What a respectful post.

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

where in godsname has anyone expressed really critical opinions on wesley willis or his music on this thread?!

this is fucking madness.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

i think perhaps hstencil was trying to stave off critical opinions. the problem is that they had already been expressed, only on the positive tip.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

this is like attack of mentalist novelty rockers.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

no one is condemning your dead genius!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, I'm more in agreement with jess and amt about whether critical opinions should be offered on this thread. I just think he's being a c*nt about it.

J (Jay), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

just let it go dude!

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

it's gone.

J (Jay), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:28 (twenty years ago) link

also i know wesley could be really nice but something about the "ah wesley floating in the sky, so sweet, so soft" (a perhaps-unfair exaggeration for effect) strikes me as condescending. just how my friend's down-syndrome son is taken to be super-sweet and friendly when he is being nice and beneficent and the minute he acts up or starts freaking out it's the syndrome acting through him. the mentally ill should not be supposed to be cut off from their anger.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

ok never mind that post i've instantly regretted making it.

sorry...

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: WESLEY WILLIS 1963-2003
A letter from one of his biggest fans, Jello Biafra:

We lost Wesley Willis some time before 9PM Chicago time August 21, 2003. Word is he died peacefully. The likely cause may be heart failure. Wes had been battling leukemia for less than a year.

No services are planned as of yet. There will probably be a memorial concert, or at least a gathering in his honor in Chicago in the near future. We will let you know.

Wesley will go down as one of the most unique songwriters and entertainment personalities in history. His music, lyrics, drawings, insight and the way he put them together are like no one else. Ever. There will never be another.

As I got to know Wes, what really struck me was his sheer will power, his unrelenting drive to succeed and over come his horrifically poor background, child abuse, racism, chronic schizophrenia and obesity among other things. He was the most courageous person I have ever known.

Yet through it all he had such a deep, all-encompassing love of life. Little things, big things. He loved bus rides. He loved watching trains. He loved writing songs about how much he loved his friends. He loved travelling to new towns so he could headbutt new friends. Is there any band he saw that escaped being in their own song about how much he loved their show? He was so warm, so sweet, so giving. He could be a handful when he came to visit; but as soon as he left, wed miss him immediately.

As his long time friend Dennis Cooper said, "No More Demons." The voices in Wesleys head cant yell at him and put him down any more.

Wes was deeply religious. He was afraid that if he died he would no longer get to go see bands play. If there is a hereafter I hope hes right up front as Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughn, his beloved Otis Redding and his dear friend Bradley from Sublime "storm the stage" as the crowd "roars like a sea monster."

All opening for Wesley, of course.

It will be hard now that hes gone, but Im not going to let myself stop enjoying the funny stuff, or the look on peoples faces when they first hear "Rock n Roll McDonalds," or the memories of the good times and Wesleys many adventures. He wouldnt want it any other way.

There are many down times when all I have to do is think of one of Wess songs, something he said or simply marvel at his Wesley-isms, and the clouds part and a smile comes to my face. I think he does that for a lot of people. He always will.

Rock over London
Rock on Chicago
Sail on, Wes. I love you.

Jello Biafra
8-22-03

chaki (chaki), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

Wesley is now head-butting God. Chicago is a colder town w/o him.

It pays to discover.

RIP.

nonthings (nonthings), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

Personally, I feel you should say what you feel about Wesley. This is a celebration of his life, only, not. And his art was a part of his life... like it or not. I don't find anything really offensive, unless the message includes any of these:

OTM
grebt
"something something in something, shockah!"
or "x-post"


Then I get offended.

David Allen, Friday, 22 August 2003 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

this is really turning into everybody's soapbox thread for some reason

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

michael medved to thread!

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:07 (twenty years ago) link

why are "x-post", "otm", or "grebt" offensive?

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 22 August 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

shit. i booked him for a show a long time ago. he was a really nice dude. RIP wesley.

geeta, Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:13 (twenty years ago) link

This thread is going on the reel.

dleone (dleone), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

so from ive gathered he seems to have been upheld as a sort of trophy victory for indie white supremicism??

trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:44 (twenty years ago) link

For what it´s worth, if someone´s to have a derisive and ill-meaning attitude towards something so harmless, that someone´s a pretty sordid motherfucker any way you cut it. I can honestly say Wesley´s music made me laugh WITH him, and not the other way around. Regardless of the whole exploitation angle, the music still cheered me up, because underneath it all, (WAIT FOR IT) HIS motives were fuckin´ pure, maaaan.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:49 (twenty years ago) link

'we found an insane black guy to care about 'rock' and we call him a 'singer-songwriter'!! dont worry though hes not TOO white, he still sings about crazy shit and is stupider than us so we can dehumanize him!!' seriously all the RIPs in this thread make him sound like a fucking household pet or something

trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

xpost, which has only added to the list...'and his motives were so PURE!! theyre such a simple people, maybe we could learn something from them....'

trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 23 August 2003 01:54 (twenty years ago) link

'His songs were simultaneously disturbing, hilarious, blunt, and intoxicating.' = 'we actually really could not think of one word to descibe him that isnt a racist noble savage-ism'

trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:01 (twenty years ago) link

trife you have Punk'd this thread

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:23 (twenty years ago) link

what does that mean?? btw i mean no disrespect to wesley willis, who ive never heard, but fuck the industry and his point-and-laugh 'fans'

trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 23 August 2003 02:32 (twenty years ago) link

god damn, trife. what do you want people to say? what is so wrong with rip? there are people on this thread who met wesley and truly liked him as a fucking person. god. i dont even know what to say, so i will say R.I.P. his music brightened my day numerous times, so thats what i owe him.

todd swiss (eliti), Saturday, 23 August 2003 03:05 (twenty years ago) link

yeah i didnt mean to sound so confrontational to ppl on this thread, im truly sorry if i did, and i wouldnt have said anything if the debate hadnt already been sparked by the iron man/dr doom teamup of jess and amateurist, but the exploitational and condescending bullshit surrounding wesley willis is here in full effect and its something that bothers me more than almost any other specific issue within modern music, and especially the tenets of 'indie music' which i generally find to be simply boring and harmlessly ascetic but, with wesley willis, crossed the line to actively harmful

trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 23 August 2003 03:15 (twenty years ago) link

i think i misused 'tenets' there, i was trying to say its their steez

trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 23 August 2003 03:19 (twenty years ago) link

trife you're the most condescending person on this thread!

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 23 August 2003 03:20 (twenty years ago) link

blount you did see that this thread has jello biafra saying mentally ill ppl are 'courageous', right??

trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 23 August 2003 03:23 (twenty years ago) link

the horror!

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 23 August 2003 03:26 (twenty years ago) link

no i meant what i said about being sorry for bumrushing it like that, i really am!! i was sorta on autopilot but it is kinda sickening to see all the 'he was truly punk rock with his fat black crazy lyrics!! hes headbutting up in heaven now' posts though

trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 23 August 2003 03:26 (twenty years ago) link

who used the phrase "fat black crazy"?

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 23 August 2003 03:27 (twenty years ago) link

when i played the the dude,his manager/caretaker seemed to genuely respect and care for him, and the crowd at the show seemed to not be the slightest cruel,but i dont know,maybe that was my perception.im not denying that theres a certain level of explotation on wesley,but if he wasnt doing music,he probably would of remained homeless for his entire life.when its all said and done,i think that doing music did a lot more good than harm for the man.

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Saturday, 23 August 2003 03:28 (twenty years ago) link

i mean im saddened that he died, and that his life was considered a cruel joke to so many ppl, im not going to paint the fans on this thread with that brush but blount if you want to go into defending the conceptions about race, obesity, and mental illness, that created the cult of wesley willis, please do

trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 23 August 2003 03:29 (twenty years ago) link

I mean the sentiments on this thread don't seem any more or less condescending than on any other RIP, with the exception of a handful of posters who think that to acknowledge the mentally ill at all it inevitably involves condescension (see also: indie rock's attitude toward black culture - 'we don't wanna be disrespectful so it's best to just not engage at all')

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 23 August 2003 03:30 (twenty years ago) link


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