Say something charitable about the Eagles.

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(since i just kinda compared the eagles to KISS, and alex is on this thread, i should get the hell out now before alex turns me into a human-flesh samsonite!)

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

Eagles-hate seems to be one of those knee-jerk positions that even hipsters well-versed in tons of reclamation projects can't seem to shake.

As far as satanic - man, I don't know but the gatefold to Hotel California is downright creepy. That sort of sepia washed-out photo of all those people staring back at you; and what's that guy doing up there on the terrace?!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

i hate what they stand for, but i like their music anyway. sometimes, knowing that they were so horrible even heightens my enjoyment of their music, in a way that i cannot explain - except that it has very little to do with ironic appreciation - i'm sure that makes no sense. damm, the eagles rock.

di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

ooh, I like "Take it Easy" also. the Winslow, Arizona thing seals it.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

i like solo don henley a lot

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:08 (twenty years ago) link

all of this somehow ties into the indie kids-in-trucker hats phenomenon.

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

I liked Henley's "I Will Not Go Quietly" duet w/ Axl Rose.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

dj sammy really needs to do a multi-part megamix version of "hotel california"

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

I liked Henley's "I Will Not Go Quietly" duet w/ Axl Rose.

... which sounds like a Teamsters' wet dream!

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:12 (twenty years ago) link

jess' gruff exterior melts to reveal - a gruff exterior!

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:12 (twenty years ago) link

But to rock HARD, you need a rhythm section, Alex.

Did I suggest otherwise?

Anyway, I think you proved what I've always suspected: People hate the Eagles because of what the Eagles supposedly STOOD for. But I don't CARE what they stood for. I care about their SONGS.

I think their music is staid, trite, lifeless, dull, banal and unexceptional. Walsh added a bit to their arsenal, but not enough to save them from inspiring lethal ennui.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

But to rock HARD, you need a rhythm section, Alex.

Did I suggest otherwise?

Anyway, I think you proved what I've always suspected: People hate the Eagles because of what the Eagles supposedly STOOD for. But I don't CARE what they stood for. I care about their SONGS.

Well, I think their music is staid, trite, lifeless, dull, banal and unexceptional. Walsh added a bit to their arsenal, but not enough to save them from inspiring lethal ennui.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

That sort of sepia washed-out photo of all those people staring back at you; and what's that guy doing up there on the terrace?!

Ha! The Christian youth pamphlet cited that very gatefold. It claimed the guy on the terrace was Anton LaVey and that the whole song was about the founding of the Satanic Church. (Also cited as servants of the dark lord, for reasons that now escape me, were Olivia Newton-John, the Bee Gees and Fleetwood Mac. Oh, Fleetwood Mac was because Stevie Nicks is a witch.)

I like "Boys of Summer" better than any Eagles song, but I give most of the credit for that to Mike Campbell. OK, the lyrics aren't bad, in a self-important aging Baby Boomer way. The Eagles themselves...they were an OK singles band, right? "Heartache Tonight" is pretty great. "Lyin' Eyes" is nice. I can live a long, long time without ever hearing "7 Bridges Road" again, tho.

JesseFox (JesseFox), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

Also, there's the paradox that my former brother in law Marvin pointed out to me once: The music in "Take It Easy" takes it to the limit, but the music in "Take It To the Limit" takes it easy! Weird!!

chuck, Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I think their music is staid, trite, lifeless, dull, banal and unexceptional. Walsh added a bit to their arsenal, but not enough to save them from inspiring lethal ennui.

the 1978 eagles = the 2003 phillies (jim thome = baseball's joe walsh. both thome and walsh are connected to cleveland, so the comparison fits!)

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

you could also say that about KISS and Ted Nugent ...

Ah, but unlike Nugent, they don't look like they are thisclose to keeling over.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

for all y'all eagles-hataz:

The Eagles: Destroy by Fire Bombing or with Thermonuclear Devices?

Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:21 (twenty years ago) link

Ah! No wonder you didn't do a defending the indefensible on 'em.

Also, I had meant to second Ben Boyer on the Langley "Desperado" - it was easily the best thing about that record, which I generally didn't care for.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:29 (twenty years ago) link

Tad: let us hope Jim Thome never googles himself here...

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 19 June 2003 23:43 (twenty years ago) link

I like them at their most laid back because there they reach a fine pitch of AOR miserableness: "Desperado," "Take it the Limit," "New Kid In Town," and especially "I Can't Tell You Why" (possibly the most laid back hit song of all time?). Otherwise, the early rockers are just gross. The incongruity of the barely-supressed finger-pointy paranoia and the easy-rollin' rhythms give me the giggles. Like, WTF? People don't find this weird? Or is the way nobody hears the bitch-baiting just like the way nobody hears the gayness in "YMCA" and "In the Navy"?

I think it's impossible NOT to factor in what 'they stood for' when you make an estimate of a band's career -- it's part of the whole Eagles package, same as their clothes, their album covers, etc.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:05 (twenty years ago) link

Shouldn't this be "Defending the Indefensible 7", btw?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

Shouldn't this be "Defending the Indefensible 7", btw?

sure ... or #6, since the housemartins aren't indefensible at all!

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:09 (twenty years ago) link

A band that I heard often enough in various contexts that I never needed or wanted to get anything by them since I didn't care any more than that. Hating them may seem kneejerk to some, but actively caring about them isn't much to my taste either.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:16 (twenty years ago) link

I'm surprised their sexism hasn't come up more here, as I seem to remember that being one of the main things so many seventies critics despised about them. Which, in a way, I don't really get, given how many other sexist critics favourites almost always got a free pass (Costello, Stones, Dylan, even, you could argue--as a feminist organization once did--Bruce Springsteen--because he kept referring to women as "little girl" in his songs). Or if they didn't exactly get a free pass, they got credit for producing a "contradictory" or "difficult" response to their music. But not the Eagles--they were just out and out Evil. Anyway, "Lying Eyes," "Already Gone," "Take it to the Limit," "Take it Easy," and "Hotel California" are all great songs, though they put some clunkers on the radio as well.

scott woods (s woods), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

[sorry that last post was partially in response to Michael Daddino, and Alex's "pretty mama" comment, which I assume he thinks is creepy or sexist or something...]

scott woods (s woods), Friday, 20 June 2003 00:28 (twenty years ago) link

Would it be hypocritical for me to say that my gut repulsion towards the Eagles isn't based on the sexism per se so much as the finger-pointing paranoia which just so happens to be sexist? A tendency that I might add is of a piece with Henley's solo career, where goes and points his finger in some other directions (even some worthy ones) and sounds even more like a twerp for doing so, like in "Johnny Can't Read" or that greatest hits add-on clunker whose name temporarily escapes me and a couple others. As for Frey, eh, I don't know.

Which doesn't really answer the question of why Dylan, the Stones et al. get away with their rage. (Maybe that's why I've never wholeheartedly loved them, either, except for Costello and even then not his most enraged stuff, unless Blood and Chocolate counts, which it probably does.)

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 20 June 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

dylan's music bores me as much as the eagles' music. as for the stones and elvis costello, most of their music doesn't bore me. plus some of the more notorious stones/sexist songs i think are funny and the women in question deserve whatever bile mick tosses at them (like "stupid girl" and "star star," the subject of the first being a dumb-ass yenta and the subject of the second being a groupie).

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 20 June 2003 01:41 (twenty years ago) link

I was at a flea market last weekend, and somebody had some crates of old records that they were selling, and someone pulled out an Eagles LP and put "Take It Easy" on the turntable, and almost immediately everyone in the vicinity started nodding their heads and tapping their toes - the song is just infectious, you really can't resist it. (Though once you've been through the chorus the first time, you might as well lift the needle off and put it away for another day, because you've heard enough.)

Johnny Cash's cover of "Desperado" is also quite nice.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 20 June 2003 01:43 (twenty years ago) link

the song is just infectious, you really can't resist it.

TS: the eagles v. SARS!

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 20 June 2003 01:49 (twenty years ago) link

Except that people don't seem to enjoy having SARS.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 20 June 2003 01:58 (twenty years ago) link

I bet some CREEP does

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 June 2003 02:01 (twenty years ago) link

Was this a Flea Market for the Extra-Chromosoned?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 June 2003 02:01 (twenty years ago) link

Except that people don't seem to enjoy having SARS.

i wouldn't, either. although if the alternative is listening to the eagles, and since SARS isn't necessarily fatal (if caught early enough) ...

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 20 June 2003 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

The End of the Innocence is kind of a pretty song. Boys of Summer is great. I liked the Eagles themselves fairly well when I was a kid and really liked Desperado. I would never willingly put them on now, I don't think, but if I hear it, I don't run screaming.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 20 June 2003 02:10 (twenty years ago) link

Also, Don Henly hates record companies right now and has been doing some work with Jenny Toomey in the Future of Music Coalition arguing for better artists rights, so, good for him.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Friday, 20 June 2003 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

1. playing that riff from "life in the fast lane", however cheesy, brings joy and encouragement to every first year guitarist who learns to play it. some of these guitarists go on to make wonderful music

2. the one with the long hair's kinda cute

3. they're easy targets for the jokes of elitist hipsters who're afraid to like anything a)their parents listen to and b)release the 2nd highest grossing album in history

4. their horribly almost proggy usage of harmonising guitar solos hides the fact that harmonising guitar solos can seriously kick ass, thus making it more likely that people will be surprised when and if i use them tastefully and my fanbase will be ever the more rabid

5. ditto on the langley school comment

Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 20 June 2003 03:28 (twenty years ago) link

'highest grossing'???

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 20 June 2003 03:30 (twenty years ago) link

"God's Own Singer" written by Bernie Leadon before he joined the Eags is a right nice song.

Donny wore his hair real nice some say...

thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Friday, 20 June 2003 03:41 (twenty years ago) link

Don't think any -ism has ever been the main motivation behind Eagle-bashing. No matter how many records they sold, their misogyny could never mean as much as the Stones' because they weren't capable of making it sharp enough.

The reputation of "The Boys of Summer" on this board is starting to snowball, which I'm fine with, misogynist or not.

b.R.A.d. (Brad), Friday, 20 June 2003 04:01 (twenty years ago) link

I like the Eagles, but I own nothing by them and I have been known to bash them to score conversational coolness points. "All the hypocrites in the house, raise your motherfuckin' hands in the ayyyurrrr!"

Jackie N. and I used to listen to his sister Belinda's copy of The Long Run when she wasn't home. Sam S. and I rocked out to "Witchy Woman," and Scott H. and I used to sing "Take It Easy" when we went over to the elementary school gym to dunk on their little hoops. But I've never really met many women who love the Eagles.

Neudonym, Friday, 20 June 2003 04:10 (twenty years ago) link

Oh man, I just listened to The Long Run and it is so good. "Teenage Jail" is great - sounds like a Black Sabbath song, with a synthesizer solo (maybe something from Sabotage)! The transition from "Teenage Jail" into "The Greeks Don't Want No Freaks" is among the funniest on any album ever! Also, I still can't really tell "The Long Run" and "Heartache Tonight" apart, but they're both great.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 20 June 2003 04:14 (twenty years ago) link

Do you like "The Disco Strangler"?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 20 June 2003 04:16 (twenty years ago) link

oh yeah JBR why hasn't anyone sampled that guitar riff?

Neudonym, Friday, 20 June 2003 04:22 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, "Disco Strangler" is great! (read you on it today, too)

It's funny how thin and whispy the guitar sound is! Like you wouldn't expect a band like them to attempt something like that, it's almost .. vulnerable.

And that kick-hihat (boom-tchik) sound is so not disco (hi-hat's would never be clipped off like that) it makes you wonder if it's this intentional piss-take or this horrible misapprehension!

(it's the same pattern on Zep's "Bron-Y-Aur Stomp" and um, some other cut that came to mind when I was listening but I forgot)

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 20 June 2003 04:27 (twenty years ago) link

also, another totally weird thing about it is that it has no discernable melody, Henley just moves between two notes, stretching syllables and fighting the rhythm. Very strange cut.

"King of Hollywood" really sucks though.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 20 June 2003 04:36 (twenty years ago) link

They invented the word culetos. Or is it colitis?

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Friday, 20 June 2003 04:42 (twenty years ago) link

The American Pink Floyd. Glenn Frey was a very underrated guitar player. I think his leads on 'Long Run' are better than Walsh's and Felder's. Also the keyboard solo on "Teenage Jail" is the most fucked-up thing I ever heard in my life. I learned how to play it on the piano and did it over and over to annoy people. It's such a crap solo that everyone KNEW I was doing it to annoy them. But then, the synth solo from Van Halen's "Jump" is even worse, but when you play that one ppl think you're pretty skilled for some reason. I'll never understand ppl who don't play instruments.

dave q, Friday, 20 June 2003 07:15 (twenty years ago) link

I'll cop to this: I hate them for what they represent, whereas the music is overplayed but often tolerable. I can't think of a single Eagles track that I LURVE (and the love-in for "Take it Easy" mystifies me, since that's one of their worst songs!) with the possible exception of "James Dean," but "Best of My Love" and their cover of Tom Waits' "Ol' 55" are both very nice. "Those Shoes" is really good atmospheric coke music, and "Heartache Tonight" is pretty okay within the context of seventies-revival radio.

I don't understand Chuck's claim that they 'rock', since they almost never rock, either in the Little Richard earlyearlymorning sense nor in the Kiss Detroit Rock City sense, nor even in the 1-2-3-4 Ramonesy sense. "Life in the Fast Lane" comes closest, but even it peters out into synth-boogie about halfway through. And the lyrics suck.

J (Jay), Friday, 20 June 2003 10:33 (twenty years ago) link

it's pure cocaine stardust fm radio and indirectly responsible for the beachwood sparks andd the cosmic rough riders. more later!

doom-e, Friday, 20 June 2003 10:37 (twenty years ago) link

re 'Little Richard' - "Out of Control"? "Chug All Night"? "James Dean"? OK maybe those weren't their finest moments tho...but the most amazing thing about this thread is Chuck Eddy dismissing the 'social context'! (btw where's the love for "After the Thrill is Gone", it's the most jaw-dropping rich-famous-rockstars-have-feelings-too! affrontery I've ever heard (cuz it's SOOOO downbeat, not even a 'well at least we still get to play music!' vibe that lets everyone 'excuse' "Life in the Fast Lane"), 'American Life' and 'The Wall' are like monastic repentance in comparison

dave q, Friday, 20 June 2003 10:48 (twenty years ago) link


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