C/D: Sonic Youth's GOO

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x poster could easily come back and say: 'that leaves 5 dud tracks nate. not as great as ppl say it is'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

True, but is any canonized album ever really as great as people say it is?

o. nate (onate), Monday, 18 November 2002 19:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fushitsusha's 'Double Live' is of course the only exception to this rule nate.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 19:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

i nevah heard experimental jetset, but on the plus side i have the todd haynes film on blurry illegal bootleg video!!

mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 November 2002 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

daydream nation has always been mainly lame
don't know it too well but the tape copy i have never grabbed my attention. teenage riot i especially physically dislike. so maybe for the first time i have to agree with mark s. hooray!

i think my favourite sy album is dirty. i didn't realize how good it was initially (it was my first sy album) though i always loved it. but when i listened to murray street which is a very good effort next to dirty dirty happened to be so much more varied so much more dynamic so much more lively i couldn't believe it.

goo is a very fine record and i don't really get what the other alex is on about. the karen carpenter song isn't pure genius lyricwise but which sy song is? sy is not really about lyrics. they take as lyrics whatever they can get. sometimes it turns out to be funny sometimes it turns out rubbish. i couldn't care less.

and karen carpenter's voice is probably the most beautiful voice i have ever heard.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

"the karen carpenter song isn't pure genius lyricwise but which sy song is?"

Cop-out argument.

"sy is not really about lyrics."

Strictlly your opinion.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am at home having dinner now. I'm looking at alex's comments and the lyrics and the two don't match up.

alex- ''and then augment the story with the most tired cliché in the book (that Karen Carpenter is in heaven and has made friends with fellow dead rock stars and formed a band) is beyond trite.''

no alex its a tribute: its a lovely image that's being described (Ok so part opf my brain tells me its a tad corny but still). I don't think they treat KC badly.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

You have your interpretation, and I have mine.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

isn't that ALWAYS the way alex?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

julio aren't you having SPAGHETTI there!!

mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

spaghetti on wednesday and thrusdays. today is rice, curry and fried chicken.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh

mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just finished.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 22:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

ah

mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 November 2002 22:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

ice cream next.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 22:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

"isn't that ALWAYS the way alex?"

Certainly. And, as before, I'm right and you're wrong. Hahahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 18 November 2002 22:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Overall, Goo = Poo, but some of the indiv. songs are okay ("Dis.," "Tit. Expose," "Mote" [aka THE BEST LEE SONG EVER]).

hstencil, Monday, 18 November 2002 22:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

My friend Goo, says "Pee-yoo".

o. nate (onate), Monday, 18 November 2002 22:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

i have the todd haynes film on blurry illegal bootleg video!!

I saw it in the theater before it got withdrawn! Am I cool or old?

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 04:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wait, don't answer.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 04:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

happy birthday anyway sean, two days late!!

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 11:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

this thread is good bcz it made me go back and replay SY stuff i have =

Confusion is Sex (1983) YES
Bad Moon Rising (1985) YES
Evol (1986) YES
Sister (1986) YES
Master=Dik (1987) YES
Daydream Nation (1988) YES
Goo (1990) YES
Dirty (1992) YES
Experimental Jet Set, Trash and No Star (1994) NO
Made in USA (1995) NO
Screaming Fields of Sonic Love (1995) YES
Washing Machine (1995) NO
Silver Session (For Jason Knuth) (1998) NO
A Thousand Leaves (1998) NO
Goodbye 20th Century (1999) YES
NYC Ghosts & Flowers (2000) NO
Murray Street (2002) YES

the first NO = i lost my job at the wire and wz v.poor and trying to write my book

On a brief listen i like GOO better than DIRTY and both of them way better than DDN and Sistah bettah still and Murray Street best of all. but y'know....

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 13:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Master=Dik (1987) YES''

is that an official rec?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 13:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's a blast first 12": i just cut and pasted someone else's not v.well organised list and added YESes and NOs

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 13:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
as if people deny themselves cliches, especially when they're in the grips of something so self-deceptive

Josh (Josh), Sunday, 29 May 2005 09:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree with the pervert that said that Sonic Youth jumped the shark. They have had their moments but are more pretentious than not.

Julio Times 3, Sunday, 29 May 2005 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link

funny, I assumed when I saw this was revived that it would be about the upcoming Goo reissue.

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 29 May 2005 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link

EVERYTHING Alex in NYC says on this thread is OTM.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 29 May 2005 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

he doesn't know what he talks about.

Josh (Josh), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Lee's songs are terrific.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate "Mote." Most overrated SY song (by the core fanbase) EVER... well... next to "teenage riot."

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 29 May 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i think this album is amazing! i might be blinded by nostalgia, but what the hell...

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 29 May 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
What's the deal with the upcoming deluxe edition?

Goo is my second favorite SY album after Sister.. The first six tracks or so are incredible. It get a little less interesting towards the end.

Can you listen to "Tunic (Song for Karen)" without wincing?

Yes! Her delivery is perfect! She does sound a little like Will Ferrel doing Janet Reno, but "Don't be saaahd / The band doesn't sound half baad."

poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been chronicly looking inside the Sonic Youth CD bins hoping that big deluxe looking thing in there is Goo and not Dirty myself. I can't wait.

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Goo is awesome!

gear (gear), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone know what the extras will be?

poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I presume B-sides and (HOPEFULLY) the 8-track Goo.

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

(as in the 8-track demoes that were sent to Sonic Death fan club members.. not an actual Goo 8-track!.. sorry. although someone should make that shit happen, too.)

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I third all of the Ranaldo love. The goo-era Ranaldo-penned b-sides (that'salotofdashes) were good too (I'm thinking of "wish fulfillment")

jb, Friday, 26 August 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Very, very awesome. Really want that deluxe edition posthaste.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Tracklisting (from some french website, so YMMV)

http://www.xsilence.net/news-239.htm#239

CD 1
01 Dirty Boots
02 Tunic (Song for Karen)
03 Mary-Christ
04 Kool Thing
05 Mote
06 My Friend Goo
07 Disappearer
08 Mildred Pierce
09 Cinderella's Big Score
10 Scooter and Jinx
11 Titanium Expose
12 Lee #2
13 That's All I Know (Right Now)
14 The Bedroom
15 Dr. Benway's House
16 Tuff Boyz

CD 2
01 Tunic
02 Number One (Disappearer)
03 Titanium Expose
04 Dirty Boots
05 Corky (Cinderella's Big Score)
06 My Friend Goo
07 Bookstore (Mote)
08 Animals (Mary-Christ)
09 DV 2 (Kool Thing)
10 Blowjob (Mildred Pierce)
11 Lee #2
12 I Know There's an Answer
13 Can Song
14 Isaac
15 Goo Interview Flexi


jb, Friday, 26 August 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

14 The Bedroom

"What do you do when your mom is a skinhead..."

"YOU FUCK HER!"

"...you write a song about her."

Possibly the greatest conversation ever held at a UCI theater or venue.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

(Anyway, this is good to know *not* to sell that "Dirty Boots" single with the live cuts on it...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

*CLAP CLAP* GARÇON! LE DELUXE GOO, S'IL VOUS PLAÎT!

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I sold it, but backed it up. (phew!)

Also, I mean, SHAKEYMO is on that track playing the key role, Ned!

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, I mean, SHAKEYMO is on that track playing the key role, Ned!

Wait, was that him? I'm amazed!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember reading that a long time ago on here and getting a kick out of it... I've never heard the track, though. I thought he was yelling, "You [Thurston] fuck her [Kim]!!" I like it better this way.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Friday, 26 August 2005 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

More love for "Disappearer" here. That song finally made me invest in Goo at 15, as I decided I needed more of what had sounded like beautiful, massive, dense amplified folk music ("Dirty Boots" had also piqued my interest for similar reasons, after the fun but not quite essential "Kool Thing"). Swirly non-singles like "Mote", the kinda touching "Tunic" and "Cinderella's Big Score" didn't disappoint either. So, pretty classic based on teenage impact alone.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Goo was SY's last great album.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Unlike Alex, I really dig "Tunic." My interest turned to love when it played over the Maggie Cheung catburglar sequence in "Irma Vep."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 27 August 2005 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link


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