david foster wallace: classic or dud

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i read a supposedly fun thing i will never do again, and i hate the smug bastard more and more. he is dull and over relexisve, congratualting himself for being clever.

anthony, Wednesday, 21 January 2004 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
oblivion: stories is disappointing.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I have IJ lined up after just a couple more books, so might get to it at the weekend, so that'll be me set for a few weeks. I hope it's worth carrying it around all that time and struggling to hold it while standing on a tube.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

My mom just sent me some books she bought at a library sale, and one of them is Infinite Jest. The problem is I already own it (and have already read it). So now I have two copies of Infinite Jest. (The same thing happened with Motherless Brooklyn, though that wasn't as traumatic).

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Whoa.:

David Foster Wallace, the novelist, essayist and humorist best known for his 1997 tome "Infinite Jest," was found dead last night at his home in Claremont, according to the Claremont Police Department. He was 46.

Jackie Morales, a records clerk at the Claremont Police Department, said Wallace's wife called police at 9:30 p.m. Friday saying she had returned home to find her husband had hanged himself.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:36 (fifteen years ago) link

That's really sad. Suicide is just so awful, so terrible for everyone left behind.

I know, right?, Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh my God. Rest in Peace, DFW, "Infinite Jest" is a masterpiece.

Vision, Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Dang. How... unexpected.

Casuistry, Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:47 (fifteen years ago) link

holy shit

the valves of houston (gbx), Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic or Dead

Every Day Jimmy Mod Is Hustlin' (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:50 (fifteen years ago) link

pouring out 40 footnotes.

-- (stet), Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:57 (fifteen years ago) link

i really, really liked his essays

the valves of houston (gbx), Sunday, 14 September 2008 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link

^ this. I really wasn't a heavy reader of his but the essays I did read I v. much enjoyed.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link

He inspired one of the longer author-centered threads on I Love Books - the unfortunately titled: David Foster Wallace - is he a cunt?

I've read only one of his books, the 'supposedly fun thing' collection of essays. It was ok.

His strong point was having a distinctive authorial voice, so you knew at once there was a person behind the words. His weak point seemed to be self-editing, but there are worse weaknesses. Blandness, for one.

Requiscat in pacem, DFW.

Aimless, Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:06 (fifteen years ago) link

r.i.p.

Savannah Smiles, Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Horrible.

HOOS clique iphones fool get ya steen on (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link

My best wishes to his family, I'll be re-reading Girl With Curious Hair.

HOOS clique iphones fool get ya steen on (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:33 (fifteen years ago) link

ugh, bad news, so sad

akm, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:00 (fifteen years ago) link

RIP and hugs and best wishes to his family. His tennis writing alone is great, but I always enjoyed everything, every footnote, including his music writing. Damn.

2for25, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:06 (fifteen years ago) link

totally bummed out about this, really. r.i.p.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:16 (fifteen years ago) link

sad news. rip

oscar, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Terrible news.

ilxor, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:31 (fifteen years ago) link

holy shit.

got such a kick out of his writing. so much pleasure and humor and wisdom in Infinite Jest. read it during a sad time in my life. it gave me so much hope. read it at the dinner table, read it during breaks at work at my job in a bookstore, laughing the whole time. was waiting anxiously for a new novel from him. . .such a very very sad thing. RIP.

Mr. Que, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link

here's his kenyon college commencement speech, well worth reading, from 2005

http://www.marginalia.org/dfw_kenyon_commencement.html

Mr. Que, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Such bad news. RIP.

kate78, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:49 (fifteen years ago) link

OMG I am speechless and so, so sad :-(

toby, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:50 (fifteen years ago) link

RIP

Tape Store, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I reread his Kenyon commencement speech a week or two ago and was really inspired by it again. God, this is just awful.

toby, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:51 (fifteen years ago) link

All I ever got around to reading by the guy was the cruise ship essay and that great list of book recommendations that included Wittgenstein's Mistress. Still, this makes my very sad. RIP.

Retrato Em Redd E Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:55 (fifteen years ago) link

;_;

the tennis-as-geopolitical-power-struggle bit in infinite jest was the best thing ever

mookieproof, Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:08 (fifteen years ago) link

OK, that list was called "Overlooked: Five direly underappreciated U.S. novels >1960" and was on salon.com.

Retrato Em Redd E Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Ye, this is it here; http://www.salon.com/books/bag/1999/04/12/wallace/

-- (stet), Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Infinite Jest meant a lot to me when I was 19 or so. Very sad to come home to this news.

Clay, Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link

As a writer of fiction I thought he was mostly terrible, and a dangerous influence on the young; but, to echo what Ned and a couple others have said, he was on occasion a terrific essayist, one whose, shall we say, discursive tendencies dovetailed with genuine insight. His piece on David Lynch before the release of Lost Highway remains one of the best things I've ever read abou the man.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:33 (fifteen years ago) link

clud

burt_stanton, Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:33 (fifteen years ago) link

His piece on David Lynch before the release of Lost Highway remains one of the best things I've ever read abou the man.

Agreed, I'm pretty positive that's the first thing I actually read by him.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Huge, huge loss. He was a genius.

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:55 (fifteen years ago) link

i think he was a sometimes great essayist and a mostly failed fiction writer, but the failures were interesting. i like a lot of the pieces of infinite jest, even though the thing as a whole is frustrating. (to him too, it felt like.) i guess i also identified with him as sort of a generational voice, smarter and funnier and more not-making-me-want-to-punch-him than the whole dave eggers/ira glass nexus.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 14 September 2008 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link

his whole sort of wrestling with moving beyond irony, postmodern self-awareness, all that gen-x angst, i think was really emblematic of artists of his generation in a lot of different ways. he articulated the problem better than anyone else, even if he never really solved it.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:08 (fifteen years ago) link

One thing you quickly realize when reading DFW was he was one ridiculously smart dude. Maybe too smart for his own good, based on the horrible events of yesterday.

Any writer as ambitious as he is will have some hits and misses, but when he was 100% on, like the Cruise Ship essay, or the Illinois State Fair, the John McCain 2000 piece or the highlights of Infinite Jest, he was a wizard who could seemingly do anything.
RIP

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Guys, where is the ideal place to start in Foster's oeuvre?

ilxor, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:23 (fifteen years ago) link

This is so weird because just last night I reread parts of the John McCain piece, to remind myself that at one time there was something likable about him.

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:23 (fifteen years ago) link

i think ideal place to start is a supposedly fun thing, but that's because i think his nonfiction >>> his fiction.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:25 (fifteen years ago) link

For fiction, Infinite Jest is clearly the magnum opus. Broom of the System is great too. His short stories aren't as much fun as the longer stuff.

But my favorite DFW stuff will always be his nonfiction pieces, particularly "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again" and the Illinois State Fair piece.

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks for the suggestions. I generally prefer nonfiction to fiction, by the way... if that helps.

ilxor, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:28 (fifteen years ago) link

you start with his non-fiction, i'll go and try cracking infinite jest again. 10th grade clearly wasn't the right time for that.

the valves of houston (gbx), Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link

i gave infinite jest to my brother for christmas a few years ago, because i knew he'd dig it if he ever gave it a shot. a few months ago he called me to tell me he was a few hundred pages in and loved it. (he's 27 now, i think i was 28 or 29 when i read it, which is probably also about the age dfw was when he wrote it. it's a very late-20s/early-30s sort of book.)

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Maybe I'll give it a few years then. I'm 23.

ilxor, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:38 (fifteen years ago) link

well you could be prodigy.

anyway infinite jest makes more sense in the context of his nonfiction. it's a lot of the same themes, recast.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm kind of dreading the thought of a published suicide note. That would be some heavy, dark shit.

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:46 (fifteen years ago) link


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