lol, the bolding is hopping threads!I love Ellen Forney, Marbles is mannered but funny and sexy and well told and well cartooned imo. Lynda Barry is the Funk Lord of The USA and 100 Demons is as good as anything she does which is to say it will save your soul. If you're not reading her teaching blog, you should be:http://thenearsightedmonkey.tumblr.com/
Other graphic pathologies that come to mindOur Cancer Year by Harvey Pekar and Joyce Brabnerhttp://www.momscancer.com/Can't we Talk About Something More Pleasant? by Roz ChastSpecial Exits by Joyce FarmerWith the Light by Keiko Tobe <-Autism manga
More here:http://www.graphicmedicine.org
― ulysses, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 23:28 (eight years ago) link
Lol I figured that because you were here I would demonstrate my seriousness about bold highlights. (Still managed to miss one...)
YES thank you so much for these! I've read and loved the Harvey Pekar and Joyce Farmer, but I'll definitely check out the others when my supply runs out. And that blog. Will forward my impressions as they arrive...
― tangenttangent, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 23:44 (eight years ago) link
Other graphic pathologies that come to mind
Julia Wertz' "The Infinite Wait"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 23:46 (eight years ago) link
Oh and for anyone in London, I just found out about this taking place between February and May, which is very exciting: http://www.houseofillustration.org.uk/whats-on/current-future-events/comix-creatrix-100-women-making-comics
― tangenttangent, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 23:46 (eight years ago) link
xp
This looks fantastic, thank you.
― tangenttangent, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 23:48 (eight years ago) link
Wertz is great, I love her. and it's been awesome to see her grow from someone who barely draws stick figures into an artist with an accomplished, refined style.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 23:50 (eight years ago) link
Psychiatric Tales by Darryl Cunningham, "My Mother, The Schizophrenic" by Chester Brown.
― glandular lansbury (sic), Wednesday, 27 January 2016 23:50 (eight years ago) link
tangentangent, you should read David B.'s Epileptic if you haven't already.
― one way street, Thursday, 28 January 2016 00:04 (eight years ago) link
Psychiatric Tales was great, though I wanted it to be about 400 pages longer. I'll add the Chester Brown one to my list, for sure.
Epileptic is an absolute triumph of the form imo. Its unforgiving frankness brings to mind Bukowski at his most incisive. And all that abstracted visualisation of despair... Amazing.
― tangenttangent, Thursday, 28 January 2016 00:09 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/2XfFC1C.jpg
There is just so much going on here... Felt it necessary to post.
― tangenttangent, Thursday, 28 January 2016 00:22 (eight years ago) link
For graphopathographies, see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stitches_%28book%29 about the author's childhood cancer and awful parents
Love Ellen Forney, especially Monkey Food.
― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 January 2016 01:23 (eight years ago) link
Ellen Forney is the only famous person I've ever approached in "public" and asked if I can send a photo to a friend (back in Australia, who reads her)
― glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 28 January 2016 02:29 (eight years ago) link
Some other comic pathologies:
Raina Telgemeier - Smile (orthodontal issues, haven't read this one but it's gotten some good reviews)Marian Churchland - Beast (depression, or at least I think it's about that, it's heavily symbolic)Brian Fries - Mom's Cancer (the title says it all; this is done in a super simplistic style, but it's really moving)Sophie Campbell (this published as Ross Campbell before she changed her name) - Water Baby (amputation)
Cosign the praise for Marbles, but I gotta admit I didn't quite get The House That Groaned, I think I'm just too dense for comics like that.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 28 January 2016 07:59 (eight years ago) link
Also, that top 100 looks pretty comprehensive, but I thinks it's weird they completely ignored the comics of Julia Wertz (Drinking at the Movies, Infinite Wait) and Faith Erin Hicks (Superhero Girl, Friends with Boys, Nothing Can Possibly Go Wrong), I thought they were fairly acclaimed?
No Alex + Ada either, but maybe that's because it was finished in 2015, so it was partially outside the scope of the list?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 28 January 2016 08:10 (eight years ago) link
John Porcellino - Hospital Suite
Almost too relatable for me to bear tbh but superb
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 January 2016 12:56 (eight years ago) link
Weird to realize how many of these I've read, guess I am attracted to these kinds of storiesSupport the recs on Stiches, Porcellino, Epileptic
― Nhex, Thursday, 28 January 2016 21:16 (eight years ago) link
Our Cancer Year, Psychiatric Tales also good
― Nhex, Thursday, 28 January 2016 21:17 (eight years ago) link
hideo azuma's 'Disappearance Diary' is one of the best books that i never hear anyone talk about. it's about the author's alcoholism.http://www.amazon.com/Disappearance-Diary-Hideo-Azuma/dp/8496427420http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/Disappearance_Diary_by_Hideo_Azuma.png
― ulysses, Thursday, 28 January 2016 21:20 (eight years ago) link
I am literally going to buy all of these tomorrow. If I can find them.
― tangenttangent, Thursday, 28 January 2016 21:23 (eight years ago) link
one more for you regarding PTSD and life and grandiosityhttp://www.fantagraphics.com/soldiersheart/highly highly recommended; carol tyler is one of the greats
― ulysses, Friday, 29 January 2016 18:44 (eight years ago) link
http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/cr_holiday_interview_10_carol_tyler/http://www.tcj.com/reviews/soldiers-heart-the-campaign-to-understand-my-wwii-veteran-father-a-daughters-memoir/
― ulysses, Monday, 1 February 2016 00:44 (eight years ago) link
put in for You'll Never Know vol. 1 at my local library, i gather that book is the collected trilogy
― Nhex, Monday, 1 February 2016 06:11 (eight years ago) link
btw love that cover for Disappearance Diary, sold
yes, 'soldier's heart' is the collected three volume set of Tyler's masterwork.
disappearance diary is an autobiographical story of a man who becomes a popular manga artist, cracks under the pressure of the work and alcoholism, then drops out entirely and opts into homelessness. Following an interim period of physical labor, he cleaned up and created a cartoony silly story of his deep depression. it's pretty special.
― ulysses, Monday, 1 February 2016 14:56 (eight years ago) link
http://gwillowwilson.com/post/138315140383/art-and-money
Maybe should have gone in a marvel thread but I don't follow those, so here it sits.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 16:37 (eight years ago) link
New 3-D Frank book is out (my copy is on the way, will report back). It sounds like the 3-D has been very meticulously finessed to suit Woodring's art. So psyched.
― Chortles And Guffaws (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link
did everyone hear about the latest angouleme shitshow?http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2016/01/angouleme-organizers-criticized-for-presenting-fake-awards/
― from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 February 2016 17:50 (eight years ago) link
Saw the 3D Frank book screened as a "movie" at Short Run last year. Unsurprisingly, the Unifactor and Woodring's linework are both excellently suited to 3D.
― glandular lansbury (sic), Wednesday, 3 February 2016 01:31 (eight years ago) link
Alvin Buenaventura has passed away. I'm shocked by this.
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 13 February 2016 20:12 (eight years ago) link
That's sad; he was a powerful voice and young.
― ulysses, Sunday, 14 February 2016 19:02 (eight years ago) link
Oh good, Chester Brown is doing ANOTHER graphic novel about how waaaaay cool prostitution is, this time all about how the Bible is actually all pro-prostitute and every woman in it was actually a prostitute if you just read it right
― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 21:55 (eight years ago) link
He really is a creepy little shit
You've read it?
― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 21:56 (eight years ago) link
Toronto (or at least parts of it) has a pretty respectful culture towards sex work and the rights of sex workers. That's a good thing and I don't think Brown is creepy for putting together two books about it. He is plenty odd for other reason though.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 22:23 (eight years ago) link
I've never really delved into Brown's work but this single line from his wiki bio kind of made me put my head in my hands
Brown began to question traditional male–female relations after he had read Cerebus #186, which contained an essay attacking the modern state of such relations.
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 22:39 (eight years ago) link
ed the happy clown is like next level genius, all of which said genius was completely flushed down the toilet when he became obsessed with sex workers and started making comics about it.
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:03 (eight years ago) link
Toronto (or at least parts of it) has a pretty respectful culture towards sex work and the rights of sex workers.
I have no problem with that, and I do a fair bit of work with sex workers and their advocates myself, it's just the sleazy men who use them and then try to justify it all at great length with reddit-style logic that shits me
― like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:11 (eight years ago) link
I own "Paying For It" and think it's a pretty great piece of work - very odd, occasionally funny, def unusual. The art is great. The more polemical appendices (which clearly owe a debt to Sim on some level) v much less so. Apart from Seth's riposte, which is (as usual) hilarious.
That being said, if this "graphic novel about how waaaaay cool prostitution is, this time all about how the Bible is actually all pro-prostitute and every woman in it was actually a prostitute if you just read it right" description is at all accurate I don't think I'm going to be much interested in reading it, it just sounds gross. Chester seems to have fallen into this weird developmental predicament where he figured out he couldn't function within society's traditional framework, found a way out of that, and now is on a mission to prove that his solution is actually a solution for everybody, if only we all weren't such sheeple. He resents his initial alienation, and wants to connect with others by making them go through the same process he went through - locate their unhappiness within failed sexual relations, discover how awesome prostitution is, attempt to reshape society accordingly. And you can see him grappling, in his own sort of intellectually honest way, with countervailing points of view but at bottom he seems to not grasp that there's *not* a single path to happiness for everyone, there are such things as successful non-transactional monogamous sexual relationships, people's unhappiness/loneliness is not going to be magically washed away by everyone engaging in prostitution. I don't really give a fuck what he does, I'm fine with legalizing sex work and affording legal and financial protection to prostitutes, but the proselitizing about it as some sort of social panacea is just presumptuous and creepy.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:16 (eight years ago) link
Also Ed the Happy Clown is a masterpiece, everyone knows that right? cool
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:17 (eight years ago) link
of seth, chester brown, and joe matt, i wouldn't have predicted chester brown ending up the "sleazy one"
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:28 (eight years ago) link
ha I am v curious to read Joe's next book whenever it finally comes out
his whole porn obsession/guilt trip seems so pre-internet/90s these days
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:30 (eight years ago) link
I'm a little disappointed with the 3-D Frank book inasmuch as I thought it was an actual new story instead of just isolated images, but Woodring is one of the few comics artists whose art books I buy so I'm not actually disappointed. And the 3-D is without a doubt the best anaglyph 3-D I've ever seen. The paper stock is thick enough that you can tap the back of a page and watch all of the individual elements in the image wobble briefly. It's pretty impressive.
― maybe my clam is just more toxic (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:31 (eight years ago) link
Booming post shakey. It's deeply depressing to me that I can barely muster up the will to read someone who was once so incredibly electrifying to me. Also, this here is a v particular pitfall for independent cartoonists, with our decades of self enforced alone time and delight in total control of our built worlds:
Chester seems to have fallen into this weird developmental predicament where he figured out he couldn't function within society's traditional framework, found a way out of that, and now is on a mission to prove that his solution is actually a solution for everybody, if only we all weren't such sheeple.
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:33 (eight years ago) link
applies to Sim, Ditko, probably a bunch of others
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 23:45 (eight years ago) link
Great post upthread Shakey.
I'm not sure about the whole "sex work is fine but speaking about it is gross" idea. Why not? There's no pressure to agree.
I think Brown has a long, long way to go before he hits Sim/Ditko levels of oddballery.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 18 February 2016 16:12 (eight years ago) link
OTM
― if thou gaz long into the coombs, the coombs will also gaz into thee (WilliamC), Thursday, 18 February 2016 16:16 (eight years ago) link
Why not? There's no pressure to agree.
it's p clear Chet wants to convert readers to his POV. "Paying For It" succeeds in spite of that polemical undertone. idk if this next book will pull off the same trick.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 February 2016 16:43 (eight years ago) link
I'd say it succeeds *because* of the awkward polemical tone - I mean, I didn't like it either, but it took me to a weird emotional space as a reader, which felt like it was more interesting than if he'd made a better effort to be even-handed.
Obviously at the extreme end of that, my argument is nonsense, because you end up with something like Reads in Cerebus, where my weird emotional space was "Please shut the fuck up, Dave."
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 18 February 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link
Paying For It is trying to convince, but not convert, imo.
This is never happening, the 13 sort-of-finished pages in D&Q25 are all he's done in a decade.
― glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 18 February 2016 23:07 (eight years ago) link
oh you cynic
I liked those 13 pages
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 February 2016 23:39 (eight years ago) link
dope
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Thursday, 22 December 2016 00:20 (seven years ago) link
Just spotted the Harvey Horrors Best Of vol1 today and bought it. It's a pretty good selection, some of Rudy Palais' best work. I'm still mulling over getting the new Ditko art book, it's really damn expensive and I've seen most of the stuff. Saw Harvey Kurtzman's Trump. Wonder if they chosen a cover character that could glacingly be mistaken for a cartoon Donald.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 27 December 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link
Christmas swag:
Agony by Mark Beyer (from that interesting new New York Review Comics line) - sold my original copy in a previous purge, glad to have one of my fave ever comics back. It would be a good game to play find the bleakest/funniest dialogue balloon (flipping through, "There are worse things than being in prison. Just being alive is worse. Maybe if we're really lucky someone will strangle us in our sleep!" is def a strong contender)
Young Romance: The Best of Simon & Kirby's Romance Comics - really adore Joe Simon's inking over Kirby's pencils, he adds such a beautiful rough texture to things
The Arab of the Future 78-84 by Riad Sattouf - possibly an ILC recommendation, somewhere? Anyway, looks great on a quick (so far) skim - cute cartooning and I really like the limited palette colouring
Messages in a Bottle: Comic Book Stories by B. Krigstein - this passed me by at the time (it came out in 2013), but a v solid selection of B Krig's greatest hits and a few rare b-sides etc. Still not totally sold on the Marie Severin re-colouring on the EC stories (first used by Fantagraphics for their B.Krigstein Comics hardcover volume, also put together by Greg Sadowski, and which duplicates quite a lot but not all of the contents here), but it's not disastrous and prob works better in this slightly smaller paperback format. Sadowski's notes are excellent, and very sad in a way - so many missed opportunities.
― Darcy Sarto (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 27 December 2016 22:17 (seven years ago) link
Simon is my favourite Kirby inker for the reasons you mention.
Another thing I got was the Alexander Goudie illustrated Tam O' Shanter by Robert Burns. It's laid out just like a graphic novel, but some images are just sketches. The large paintings are really impressive.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 02:07 (seven years ago) link
Got Hip Hop Family Tree vol 4 and Charles Burns' Last Look for Christmas. Both excellent.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 28 December 2016 02:23 (seven years ago) link
Are there any good Philippe Caza art books? Seems like he's been left behind his peers a bit.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 15:57 (seven years ago) link
http://ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=57&threadid=10509
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 14:15 (seven years ago) link
Rolling Comic Book thread 2017
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 14:16 (seven years ago) link