Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

As far as the idea that gays, as a group, are any more well-to-do than society as a whole, I already spelled it out in the gay thread:

I would assume this is due to the fact that it's much easier, due to cultural factors and a greater economic safety net, for economically advantaged queers to be openly so than for their economically disadvantaged counterparts. Thusly, in a set of openly queer people, the economically advantaged are going to be overrepresented.

fwiw, guys, you should attend to table's last comment iirc

group hug

the conflict, in some ways, is that i think these rights are obvious and self-evident, and shouldn't even have to be bestowed by the state, as if they were some sort of gift.

i've heard far right/libertarian dudes say they were in favor of gay marriage because of this reason...or more specifically they were against the government controlling marriage and charging money for marriage licenses etc, therefore anyone could and should be able to get married.

group hug

Nah, I gotta help the poor and indigent first.

JUST KIDDING (hugs, table)

I think its weird to argue that "rights" somehow exist independent of a legal framework.

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I mean the law is the framework that gives the term "rights" meaning - without the ability to appeal to an agreed-upon legal framework, what constitutes a "right" is essentially meaningless.

Ah, we're entering Hannah Arendt territiory here.

really? I thought we were just getting started on Derrida.

i think our thoughts should turn to gay divorce

lol

we should have the right!

When Rod met Maggie. How you say, 'odd.'

Tomorrow's the day for Iowa, right?

Rod Dreher: Maggie, you and I are on the same side of the gay marriage issue, but I am pessimistic about our chances for success. You, however, are optimistic. What am I missing?

Maggie Gallagher: Vaclav Havel mostly. ...

thank you maggie gallagher for the cool new display name!

Rod Dreher: I don't understand why so few people grasp the religious liberty implications of gay marriage.

Do these people even have a brain? What if my religion happened to believe that straight marriage was illegal? I'd love to hear a logical, rational explanation of what these "implications" are.

Here's another howler:

But the two most important messages I've been telling people: 1. Marriage matters because children need a mom and dad. And 2. Gay marriage is going to effect a lot of people besides Adam and Steve.

Both wrong. 1. If a kid doesnt have a mother and father, what happens, he spontaneously combusts? And 2 doesn't even need to be addressed it's so stupid.

People are always posting links from weird websites, why were you reading that in the first place Ned?

Ned is an avid follower of Maggie Gallagher.

I like it when she smashes watermelons.

she swings a mean Bible

She was soooo cute as the baker in that Will Ferrell movie!

In this case, that was linked from Andrew Sullivan's site, not that he can't be any less weird about other things. But Dreher I've kept an irregular eye for a while because he is the self-described 'crunchy con,' a term he invented. (Seems to boil down to: Conservatives, eat organic! Otherwise, steady as she goes.)

She was brittle and hilarious as the mother of Robin Williams' son in The Birdcage

wasn't that Christine Baranski, I'm not following this thread

I got so far into that article thinking it was Maggie Gyllenhaal.

And then I stopped reading.

Maggie Gyllenhaal probably has her own stories.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/14/ny.same.sex.marriage/index.html

Moran citied Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, a Mormon Republican who has called for the adoption of civil unions,

??? wtf! can someone explain this to me

Maggie Gyllenhaal probably has her own stories.

― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

every time i read this woman's name for just a second i think it refers to the other one

So uh what do you guys think about "opposite marriage"?

You know what, I think in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that an opposite marriage should be between a man and a ghost, which is I think I believe an "opposite man." No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised. A ghost is an empty soul, where a man once lived.

Well I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other.

and.............New Hampshire

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/state/new_jersey/20090429_ap_nhsenatevotestoallowgaymarriage.html

oops...reading the headline and getting ahead of myself, but very close

Yeah, still a touch early but definitely advancing. It's entirely possible that by the end of May the only state in New England without it would be Rhode Island.

Miss California to campaign against gay marriage.

From the comments section:

"A woman with died hair and fake boobs lecturing on what is natural is like unlicensed, tax dodging, food stamp collecting plumber talking about personal responsibility."

McCain (Cindy) / Prejean '12

I simply cannot understand why people would be opposed to gay marriage, and it's always the ones who are incessantly paying lip service to "family values."

I'm all for gay marriage, and also for gay divorce.

thanks for taking that bold stand

Carrie Prejean is from Vista, CA, which is a Republican stronghold in northern San Diego County.

I hate that she's my state's representative in the Miss USA Pageant. Hate, hate, hate.

Max is gay for me.

I hate that she's my state's representative in the Miss USA Pageant. Hate, hate, hate.

^I wouldn't lose too much sleep over this.

Yeah, c'mon, it's a beauty pageant ffs, hardly a repair of the most progressive sentiments.

Maine is in.

Yeah Maine! I was born in Vermont and have lived in Maine for nine years. Nice to see both states change via the legislature as opposed to the courts. Can't say it isn't "the will of the people" or any of that BS.