Pazz and Jop.

Fixed on my site. Will get the Voice to update theirs, too. The Gods of Accuracy appreciate our efforts. Probably.

the ballot also had glitches (it didn't work at all on chrome)
Jesus! No wonder no one voted.

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:55 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i submitted my ballot on Chrome and it was counted fwiw

you sure there was no problem with it, it seems like there's a Walk the Moon song that turned up in your singles ballot

dog i voted for "Hey Soul Sister," just try and shame me about this

Obviously no "The Personals" section this year--random comments from voters. If that's because they didn't have enough comments submitted, or enough that they thought were usable, I can understand that--maybe that section will be back next year. If they've dropped it because of space limitations, or because they feel the world needed another essay on poptimism (which, in fairness, I haven't read--and won't), then from my vantage point, that's lousy. Checking to see if anything of mine made it in has been the sole interest of the poll for at least the last 15 years. The results mean less than nothing.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:27 (Yesterday) Permalink

I noticed the lack of Personals, too, but I wonder whether it would make sense to keep running that in an era when anyone could blog or tweet 'em or FB 'em or include them in whatever publication they happen to contribute to. Though I DO remember a time when honing and submitting Personals was a huge, huge deal - doesn't seem so long ago.

It makes sense in that we might see a comment by someone we didn't know of or might not think to google.

by the time ballot submission day comes around I am too despondent about writing and the thought of doing it to ever do *more*

("ever" lasts until january, unless it doesn't, but it really should)

Some clarification on why that Personals section was always important to me. I actually do very little music writing through the year nowadays--some for my homepage, very rarely for some other online project. So I always tried to include a lot of commentary with my Top 10; invariably, it's the first time I'm writing about most of my choices. It was always exciting, even almost 20 years after I first voted, to get a comment or two into that section. And it looks like it's probably gone for good now.

Yeah, that section was fun.

A kind of "favourites" metric for the lower reaches, showing the best placing for albums that received <= a given number of mentions:

Best with <= 30 mentions: The Weeknd, Beauty Behind the Madness (312/30)
Best with <= 29 mentions: v/a, Hamilton (Original Broadway Cast Recording) (309/24)
Best with <= 23 mentions: Dawn Richard, Blackheart (256/23)
Best with <= 22 mentions: Mbongwana Star, From Kinshasa (220/20)
Best with <= 19 mentions: Jazmine Sullivan, Reality Show (192/18)
Best with <= 17 mentions: Royal Headache, High (182/15)
Best with <= 14 mentions: Future, 56 Nights (151/12)
Best with <= 11 mentions: Julien Baker, Sprained Ankle (120/11)
Best with <= 10 mentions: Susanne Sundfør, Ten Love Songs (115/10)
Best with <= 9 mentions: Joan Shelley, Over and Even (110/9)
Best with <= 8 mentions: John Grant, Grey Tickles, Black Pressure (97/8)
Best with <= 7 mentions: Beauty Pill, Beauty Pill Describes Things As They Are (87/6)
Best with <= 5 mentions: Faith No More, Sol Invictus (67/5)
Best with <= 4 mentions: Marilyn Manson, The Pale Emperor (66/4)
Best with <= 3 mentions: Irène Schweizer & Han Bennink, Welcome Back (49/3)
Best with <= 2 mentions: Dodheimsgard, A Umbra Omega (45/2)

3 of my top 4 are in that metric ;_; (and the 4th can't be too far off)

Sullivan, Richard and who else Lex? I'm curious

susanne sundfør

(plus, angel haze was my #2 and i was the sole voter)

minus the weeknd, that's a very ilx list

Wish I'd checked Hamilton! Rare to see so much p&j interest in a cast recording. I did vote for Mbongwana Star. Jazmine Sullivan's album is really distinctive too. Joan Shelley seems influenced by early Joni Mitchell, but the voice of her own experience comes through well enough.

Speaking of studious young singer-songwriters, Courtney Barnett, like her Melbourne neighbors Dick Diver, seems to have learned from the Go-Betweens, especially Forster, re how to compress and clarify (with oblique strokes) her observational verses, wand her guitar on the choruses, as she says, draws on Television, for bracing yet partial release from verse situations---partial cos she's neurotic(does have a sense of humor, though). The double-EP was lyrically denser, but also good. Dick Diver is more chill.

1. Read poll results
2. Click on entries you like
3. Click on the names of the people who voted for the things you like
4. Check out the other things they voted for that you don't know
5. Remember the names of the new things you found that you liked
5. Remember the names of the people who voted for things you didn't know but liked after you listened to them

― Very selfish, and very ironic (DJP), Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:37 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this.

Oh yeah, remember that strategy, it's all coming back to me.

I started doing just that but I gave up after seeing that most of the ballots were 'that one thing I liked' + kamasi/barnett/etc and in the rare event there was something unknown you had absolutely no info about it (even just the artwork would have helped). Just doesn't seem worth the hassle.

is there one or two voters whose ballots you really like, Dinsdale? glenn's stats offer a list of similar ballots ... should get you closer to other voters worth your time, i would think

in the rare event there was something unknown you had absolutely no info about it

aside from google

i mean, i don't use pazz & jop for discovering new stuff, but i did a similar thing w the ilx eoy nominations

is there one or two voters whose ballots you really like, Dinsdale? glenn's stats offer a list of similar ballots ... should get you closer to other voters worth your time, i would think

That's the thing, it's hard to find out. I would pick one album I like from the albums list then click on the writers who had it on their ballot, and most of the time everything else on the ballot is stuff I already know and usually don't like. Sometimes there's one thing you don't know so you google it etc. (because yes lex, I'm aware of google) but it's just super tedious after a while. I mean if you're going to do something like that make it so that it entices people to discover stuff, instead of making it feel like a very boring day job. Take the ILX Metal EOY for instance, I listened to plenty of stuff and discovered a few good ones because it was done in a way that made it easy to (direct links to stream the album, reviews and so on).

As soon as I find something worth digging into I will try out the glenn thing though, thanks for the heads up

I like Marc Masters' ballot the best so far

I forgot about that Obnox album he listed. They/he were good live last year. I like the punkier and poppier (Chills) stuff he listed, more than the noisier/experimental ones.

Ha. I'm the opposite.

instead of making it feel like a very boring day job

man can't you just let these sad pros have their fun

I'm finding that searching the furia stats is much easier/better (can search by artist for example).
Glenn is there a way to search for 'breadth'? I think that's a stat of interest to me.

Glenn, not sure if this is anything you're actually interested in or care about, but have you ever inquired about getting older data?

I know the voice site swallowed and distorted many of the aughts polls, but I bet the original ballots are somewhere to be found...

I know I can def access, like, my 2003 ballot via wayback machine

I just clicked on the 5 most similar ballots to MMast3rs and there were a couple Wilco votes here and there, but lots of other stuff I didn't know (granted, Dinsdale, you and I are different humans).

D*ve S3gal of The Stranger in Seattle - who is one of Mast3rs' similar ballots, and may be on ILM? - is a fave of mine as far as finding interesting/weird/good stuff.

why are you googleproofing their names

I just clicked on the 5 most similar ballots to MMast3rs and there were a couple Wilco votes here and there, but lots of other stuff I didn't know (granted, Dinsdale, you and I are different humans).

Yeah that's a very useful feature, I've found some stuff I plan to investigate.

I've asked about older data before, yes. So far it hasn't been a priority for them, but with the upcoming sale and potential data-system changes I'll ask again.

I mean, I'm sure a site like furia that they don't own or make a penny of ad money from is zero priority to them, but I was just thinking maybe an intern could dig it up for shits and giggles

Marc is my closest P&J neighbor. We share two albums.

I don't think Dave S. is an ilxor, or at least I feel like I'd know if he was. Maybe a lurker? Idk

Just in case someone here is in charge of the pazz+jop thing, the Shopping album listed is their 2013 release, the new one is called Why Choose

Let me rectify: the 2015 album is there but one critic voted for the 2013, I assume he got the title wrong

Well I'm dumb, he voted for both and the 2013 was also reissued last year so... Let's pretend the last three posts never existed.

Hey glenn, if you're still soliciting corrections: "Kime Ne - Insanlar" has the artist and track title reversed.

Thanks!

so, uh, is this still happening

it's a reasonable question. Glenn are you on it this goround?

wasn't last year's ballot mailing not done until December too?

Yes, it's still on. I don't have anything to do with it until after voting closes, but I know ballots haven't gone out yet, so nobody has missed anything.

cool, thanks!

http://www.villagevoice.com/authors/robert-christgau-6354191

CHristgau is writing for the Voice again. I wonder if he'll be involved

thanks! (for some reason I keep thinking the initial email comes out in november)