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china is fucked up.

dylannn, Saturday, 9 January 2016 09:52 (eight years ago) link

they even tore down that gold mao statue in henan.

dylannn, Saturday, 9 January 2016 09:52 (eight years ago) link

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-35338484 --- Gui Minhai said he turned himself in after being on the run for 12 years over a drink-driving conviction. Mr Gui, a Swedish national, is one of five Hong Kong booksellers to go missing recently. --- glad this was resolved.

dylannn, Sunday, 17 January 2016 21:46 (eight years ago) link

one of the remaining four has contacted his wife, who requested the police cease involvement. the other three, who knows?

dylannn, Sunday, 17 January 2016 21:47 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Interesting article about Chinese foreign students in the US converting to Christianity:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/02/11/leave-china-study-in-america-find-jesus-chinese-christian-converts-at-american-universities/

o. nate, Saturday, 13 February 2016 02:10 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/the-mao-mango-cult-of-1968/

, Monday, 21 March 2016 17:53 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

I guess this will come as a surprise to nobody, but an interesting tale nonetheless:

Hong Kong Bookseller Says He Was Detained by China
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/world/asia/hong-kong-bookseller-lam-wing-kee.html

o. nate, Friday, 17 June 2016 00:17 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

@dick_nixon
I asked Chou En-lai what he thought of the French Revolution. "Too soon to tell," he said.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2016 17:29 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98RNh7rwyf8

i n f i n i t y (∞), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link

what is it with chinese govt visions and shithouse videos

early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 25 May 2017 02:41 (six years ago) link

attempt :failed

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 25 May 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link

it's informative!

dylannn, Thursday, 25 May 2017 16:04 (six years ago) link

i'm waiting for the han sanping-directed epic featuring huang xiaoming as li keqiang.

dylannn, Thursday, 25 May 2017 16:09 (six years ago) link

I wish they'd cover "want you back" but tie it into wanting the silk road back

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link

REMEMBER ALL THE GOODS THAT WE TRADED PRIEST"

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link

six months pass...

this is crazy if true

11 million+ Muslims in China will have their DNA & iris scans collected. If you’re a Muslim who lives outside of this region, you will need to report to the govt & provide your DNA. https://t.co/9xqhIR1c7p

— Yasmin Yonis (@YasminYonis) December 13, 2017

Mordy, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

i'm reading from people who follow chinese politics that this has been going on for a very long time so interested to see how this plays out now that they're finally admitting to it

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Chinese-local-governments-rush-to-admit-fake-data

In Liaoning Province tax receipts and income from various fees were padded by 20-30% according to counties and cities during the period of 2011-2014. Inner Mongolia has said that a quarter of the fiscal revenue stated for 2016 were actually fake.

Fiscal revenue does not include proceedings from land sales. Therefore, it is considered a key indicator of the local government's true financial health.

"Chinese bureaucrats were promoted based on two figures -- GDP and tax revenue," according to Nie Huihua, a professor at Renmin University of China. Making fiscal revenue look better than they actually are, have always were important for aspiring bureaucrats looking to move up the ladder.

Recently, there has been a spike in similar cases. In December 2017 the National Audit Office announced that 10 cities and districts in Hunan, Yunnan and Jilin provinces and the direct-controlled city of Chongqing had overstated their fiscal revenues by a total of 1.5 billion yuan ($238 million).

...

Overall local government revenue growth slowed sharply to 5% in 2017 from 29% in 2011. Meanwhile, local government spending has continued growing at fast paces due to swelling social security spending.

The growth rates of regional government outlays surpassed those of revenue growth for the three straight years through 2017. Most local governments are struggling with serious fiscal strains.

In its desperate efforts to make up for revenue shortfalls, Liaoning went so far as to take such measures as collecting taxes for the following year and delaying tax refunds due to special tax breaks.

Local governments have piled on debt to fill budget gaps. Total local government debt reached 15 trillion yuan at the end of 2016, according to official statistics. But the International Monetary Fund has estimated the actual amount including off-the-book debts at 32 trillion yuan.

Most local governments cannot finance their spending without cash from Beijing. In many provinces, state subsidies provided to local governments exceed the taxes and fees they pay to the central government.

...

So much so that many internet commentators offered the same advice: "Admit inflating fiscal revenue and receive more subsidies from the central government."

papa poutine (∞), Monday, 12 February 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link

it was admitted in 2015 too, faking data over the previous two years. i'll respond out of a sense of obligation to the thread.

i guess it's probably about taking more in conditional grants from the central government. also a response to a central government crackdown on inflated data and local governments going into debt. from my limited knowledge of the chinese taxation system, there are not really subsidies but some grants to equalize the provinces and shit. basically the provinces collect tax revenue and send it up and get it back in a system of transfer payments, like provincial governments collect most of the tax revenue (but can't really make tax policy or keep much of it, which is why there's a drive to develop or grab land because they make money doing that, one of the nontax revenues provincial governments bring in), send it to the central government and it's sent back down based on the central budget + revenue brought in by the province + cash to keep up with equality between the provinces. i dunno. there's definitely a pressure i think to send smooth lines up to the central government, because the promotion of local government leaders is tied to performance (see also falsified crime statistics?). maybe they want to make sure they take more conditional grants from the central government, too.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 11:04 (six years ago) link

ya, the more i read about china's falsified and doctored numbers, the more it seems widespread -- from the agricultural period during mao to police reporting to pollution (apparently the're just moving factories around?)

it's kind of surreal

papa poutine (∞), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link

also this is an article from 2016 but pocket just recommended it right now:

https://www.economist.com/news/china/21712173-golf-footballyou-name-it-what-china-claims-have-invented

lol

papa poutine (∞), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link

well fuck

China plans to remove presidential term limits from its constitution, potentially allowing President Xi Jinping to stay on beyond his second term, which ends in 2023.

reverse-periscoping (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 25 February 2018 10:32 (six years ago) link

i didn't really expect this although the signs were there and... i recall saying as recently as like a week ago that it was improbable and the party needed a smooth post-xi transition to maintain legitimacy.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Sunday, 25 February 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link

Wow, came to the President for Life Jinping news via the Guardian article. Biggest news of global import since the Trump election.

It's because I'm human, isn't it?! (Sanpaku), Monday, 26 February 2018 01:53 (six years ago) link

holy shit.

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Monday, 26 February 2018 04:35 (six years ago) link

It really brings home how Xi ha sheen able to concentrate power like no other leader since Deng Xiaoping.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 26 February 2018 07:13 (six years ago) link

also:

- ‘Ten thousand years’ (万岁), which is China’s way of saying: ‘Long live!’ or ‘Viva!’

- ‘Disagree’ (不同意)

- ‘Xi Zedong’ (习泽东) - a hybrid of the names of Xi and Chairman Mao Zedong

- ‘Shameless’ (不要脸)

- ‘Lifelong’ (终身)

-‘Personality cult’ (个人崇拜)

-‘Emigrate (移民)

- ‘Immortality’ (长生不老)

The name Yuan Shikai, a Qing dynasty warlord who unsuccessfully tried to restore monarch to China, was also banned as were the titles of two George Orwell books, 1984 and Animal Farm.

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Thursday, 1 March 2018 05:56 (six years ago) link

i even bought the chinese version 1984 paperback in china, what the fuck

reverse-periscoping (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 1 March 2018 05:59 (six years ago) link

just reference to the title banned on social media though. animal farm 动物庄园 was referenced in some older essay circulating in the past couple days, so i'd guess that's why?
interesting to see the reaction and the crackdown happen in realtime on the chinese internet

this is interesting: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/emperor-xis-censors-no-clothes/

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link

http://chinamediaproject.org/2018/02/28/li-datongs-open-letter/

li datong former editor of freezing point 冰点 the shutdown of which in 2006 occasioned maybe the last time party elders came out against censorship-- in 2018 the league faction and its power has been mostly rooted out so... hope for the best--and another great open letter from li: http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060126_3.htm (remember eswn??) ...

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link

Two questions: The economic opening of China, is it still called Gaige Kaifang? And is there a really good book written about it?

Frederik B, Sunday, 11 March 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link

yes? that's the name for market reforms of say 78-92, household responsibility system, TVEs, flood of foreign investment, special economic zones.
maybe. maybe ezra vogel's thick deng xiaoping biography, deng xiaoping and the transformation of china, is the best option. and then barry naughton's textbookish the chinese economy: transitions and growth. there were many many books written around the earlytomid1990s about the reform era but they usually put undue weight on reform stalling out in the late 1980s, protest movement and crackdown, etc. it was too early to see exactly what deng had accomplished and what reform would really mean. so, the naughton book is good, from 2007.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 12 March 2018 05:47 (six years ago) link

four weeks pass...

turns out you need a visa to change flights in shenzhen. not even to leave the airport, just to change flights. and NOBODY told me until i was stood at check in.

karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 9 April 2018 06:39 (six years ago) link

i thought 24 hours transit without visa outside of the 72 hour visa free cities

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 9 April 2018 09:23 (six years ago) link

Isn’t their also the pearl river Delta visa on arrival or does that only apply to land crossings form Hong Kong and Macao?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 April 2018 09:33 (six years ago) link

i thought 24 hours transit without visa outside of the 72 hour visa free cities

they wouldn’t even let me get on the fucking plane

karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 9 April 2018 13:13 (six years ago) link

that's fucked up. do you know what the actual rule is on it? i heard about similar problems with people trying to do the 72 hour thing and airlines etc not even having heard of it

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 9 April 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link

That sounds like the airline’s fault, not knowing the rules. I’ve had to show the airline the page on the Chinese immigration website to be allowed to do the Transit without visa thing. 24hrs is allowed anywhere in China.

It’s been a while since I’ve had issues but IIRC it was with BA in London, it took the check-in person calling their supervisor to confirm that transit without Visa for Shanghai was a thing.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 April 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link

That sounds like the airline’s fault, not knowing the rules.

well their fuckup has cost me a pile of money so if that’s the case i will fucking explode

karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 9 April 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link

oh god

karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 9 April 2018 23:54 (six years ago) link

fuck, thank you, going to follow this up

karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 00:14 (six years ago) link

wait it says border crossings, doesn’t mention the airport

karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 00:16 (six years ago) link

which makes no sense at all

karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 00:16 (six years ago) link

it looks like shenzhen is excluded from 24 hour no visa transit because they have a far more liberal 144 hour no visa transit policy. https://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides/guangdong/144hours-visa-free.htm

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link

also hey i wrote an article about jordan peterson in china https://supchina.com/2018/04/10/jordan-peterson-and-chinas-white-left/

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link

Interesting piece, is that your first for SupChina?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 10 April 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link

yes first

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 02:42 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPJbokaT2w8

F# A# (∞), Saturday, 5 May 2018 05:17 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The 'City in the Sky' of Larung Gar (Garzê Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, Sichuan, China) in 2015, before the mass demolition ordered by the Chinese authorities. pic.twitter.com/Qqwq3djfXa

— Irène DB (@UrbanFoxxxx) May 18, 2018

some 2015/16 photos of an incredible looking Tibetan prefecture formerly dubbed a "city in the sky", which has probably been completely ethnically gentrified/destroyed by now.

calzino, Saturday, 19 May 2018 09:35 (five years ago) link


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