Sound quality totally isn't an issue for me. I long ago mothballed my vinyl, CDs, turntable and CD player. The only way I listen to music now is v0 mp3s on an iPod through £100 headphones, and it all sounds great to me. My enjoyment of music is unaffected by sub-optimal sound quality.
― schlep and back trio (anagram), Thursday, 7 January 2016 15:43 (eight years ago) link
can't run w/the big dogsget off the porch
― Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2016 16:23 (eight years ago) link
It's a worthwhile resource for information about vinyl (or CD) pressing quality. I often find myself googling "steve hoffman + [X reissue]" when browsing stuff online or at the local record. shop. It is what it is and nothing else. Some of the language around how records sound is completely hilarious and over the top though, no doubt about that.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 7 January 2016 23:19 (eight years ago) link
there's a better video than this, but it's well hiddenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAgxUFKaxM
― PaulTMA, Friday, 8 January 2016 01:29 (eight years ago) link
Looks like someone's touched a nerve over at the retirement home...
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/an-oldies-forum.665037/
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 16 April 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link
http://kingdom.golf/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Huey-Lewis11-1600x1000.jpgThe old boy may be barely breathing
― TS Hugo Largo vs. Al Factotum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 April 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
this post p much sums it up
Music had a serious impact back in the day, it meant something to people and to the world!Songs Like ...Everyday peopleImagineSay It Loud I'm Black And I'm ProudWhat's Going OnBall Of ConfusionThese are just a very few of the type music made back in the day, music meant more!Also back in the day, you had to have talent, you had to know your instrument, for the most part you had to really be able to sing.The music scene was way way way better, as far as the acts and the music!
Songs Like ...Everyday peopleImagineSay It Loud I'm Black And I'm ProudWhat's Going OnBall Of Confusion
These are just a very few of the type music made back in the day, music meant more!
Also back in the day, you had to have talent, you had to know your instrument, for the most part you had to really be able to sing.
The music scene was way way way better, as far as the acts and the music!
― niels, Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
How about this one?
As a high school teacher, I can share with you without a shadow of a doubt, that most youngsters don't care about those old school acts!notice, I did not say all, but most ... there's absolutely no doubt about it!I've done it, I've asked them about old school acts and most of them have never even heard of them. Acts that most of us would instantly know, they haven't a clue.For example...Bad CompanyFoghatGrand FunkSly And The Family StoneRare EarthEdgar WinterMost of my students, have never even heard of these acts? Now when I let them hear a song or two, some of them may say yeah I've heard that song but I never knew who it was.This is one of the reasons I started exposing them to Paul McCartney. I just felt they should know who the greatest songwriter is!
notice, I did not say all, but most ... there's absolutely no doubt about it!
I've done it, I've asked them about old school acts and most of them have never even heard of them. Acts that most of us would instantly know, they haven't a clue.
For example...Bad CompanyFoghatGrand FunkSly And The Family StoneRare EarthEdgar Winter
Most of my students, have never even heard of these acts? Now when I let them hear a song or two, some of them may say yeah I've heard that song but I never knew who it was.
This is one of the reasons I started exposing them to Paul McCartney. I just felt they should know who the greatest songwriter is!
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
Fish meet ILX barrel
― stet, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
haha... this one's great as well:
I've done it, I've asked them about old school acts and most of them have never even heard of them. Acts that most of us would instantly know, they haven't a clue.For example...Bad CompanyFoghatGrand FunkSly And The Family StoneRare EarthEdgar WinterMost of my students, have never even heard of these acts? Now when I let them hear a song or two, some of them may say yeah I've heard that song but I never knew who it was.This is one of the reasons I started exposing them to Paul McCartney. I just felt they should know who the greatest songwriter is!maccafan, Today at 2:46 PM
maccafan, Today at 2:46 PM
― niels, Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
Hehehehe... posted that one above, niels... the image of some teacher internally flipping out because his students don't know who Rare Earth are in 2017 is utterly priceless.
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
haha lol I see! but yeah, great stuff
― niels, Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
It's like a Room Full of Lefsetz
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
BrunoKirbySpinalTap.jpg
― stet, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
classic and dud... I got banned pretty quick for linking an article that denigrated the forum/Hoffman etc. On the surface, it feels like MOJO magazine BBS, with a bunch of curmudgeonly middle-aged men flossing their tech "knowledge," more concern for audio quality, x pressing of Sea Change, etc. than actual music. But it goes beyond that, there's some decent, in-depth Grateful Dead discussion, general classical and jazz talk etc. - it's useful to an extent. Judging by some posts, it's as if some people regard the site as some holy grail of music and -related information. Maybe it's just a generally less 'hip' demographic than ILX, I don't know.
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link
I like all the same music as those dudes, but I don't want to talk about it with them. Perhaps out of fear that I secretly am one of them. They are definitely a valuable resource if/when I'm deciding which reissue of an album I should buy, though. (That's where I heard about the Japanese super deluxe expanded edition of Santana's Lotus which will shortly be on its way to me.)
― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
it's probably a really good place to learn more about foghat
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
i hope he's not an english teacher. xxxxxxxxp
― Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 16 April 2017 21:13 (six years ago) link
They are definitely a valuable resource if/when I'm deciding which reissue of an album I should buy, though.
Or which old pressing if you're a record collector.
― timellison, Sunday, 16 April 2017 21:27 (six years ago) link
― stet, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 April 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
There are some interesting posters who seem to have been active on the late, lamented Velvet Rope forums, which were designed to have discussions among people in the recording and broadcasting industries. I have discovered a number of overlooked 80's/90's and prog bands through member recommendations, too
― beamish13, Sunday, 16 April 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
it's true, they do have a lot of information about old pressings etc., at least when they don't include Hoffman masters. Then you have to sift through the moderator-enforced hagiography to figure out which of the options is best.
― skip, Sunday, 16 April 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
I've been enjoying the Fall album-by-album thread on SHF.
― michaellambert, Monday, 17 April 2017 08:17 (six years ago) link
Link pls?
― écorché (S-), Monday, 17 April 2017 08:27 (six years ago) link
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-fall-album-by-album-by-single-by-cassette-thread.485363/
It's a normal thread, no lols to be had from confused interlopers.
― michaellambert, Monday, 17 April 2017 08:33 (six years ago) link
Of course the variations in quality between different cd editions of fall albums are some of the hugest of any artist ever so hoffman forum kind of a logical place for a thread like that
― iris marduk (Jon not Jon), Monday, 17 April 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
yeah hoffman boards what a bunch of losers just debating old led zeppelin albums and beatles remasters...oh wait
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 April 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t389/TheEst/Reviews/the-servant-dirk-bogarde-james-fox.jpg:original
― stet, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 April 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link
Damn straight, I just discovered Steve Hoffmann forums and wish I hadn't started up here. They may not be quite as smart but they aren't broken creeps like the swine on ILM. I tried for 20 years with positive and encouraging comments, got a lot of attitude in return. See y'all later
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, April 2, 2017 5:33 PM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― nomar, Monday, 17 April 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
haha, I still flit through those forums. but I got over my 'must have best digital pressing of anything' tendencies very very quickly. It is useful for finding out information on vinyl pressings though.
steve hoffman's mastering on the whole (that I've heard) is really good though. it's worth going to piratebay and finding the leaked (by himself) mastering he did of All Things Must Pass that wound up not getting released.
― akm, Monday, 17 April 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
he did the best edition of Raiders of the Lost Ark for those who care.
― iris marduk (Jon not Jon), Monday, 17 April 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
...and Steve and his minions will tell you his work is the very best. The. Very. Best.
There's a hilarious Hoffman hater board. Just read this thread and howl: http://stereocentral.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6167
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 17 April 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
that's a pretty funny site, although, I can't see myself being so worked up about this guy and his message board that it warrants an entirely new board to mock it
― akm, Monday, 17 April 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link
It is useful for finding out information on vinyl pressings though.
Can I just say - extremely useful. Sometimes the only place on the internet for information.
― timellison, Monday, 17 April 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
yeah hoffman boards what a bunch of losers just debating old led zeppelin albums and beatles remasters...oh wait― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, April 17, 2017 4:22 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, April 17, 2017 4:22 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You'd have a point if almost every thread on the front page of ILM was a Beatles thread, with such incredible topics as "what colour socks did Ringo wear when recording 'Tomorrow Never Knows'" or "what brand of condom did Paul set fire to in Hamburg?"
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 17 April 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link
any truth to the story that All Things Must Pass had *re-recorded* guitar parts etc on the CD issued in 2001? admittedly i only ever read this tale on the forums in question.
― piscesx, Monday, 17 April 2017 21:15 (six years ago) link
i actually like nothing better than discussing classic rock minutiae with you fine folks and i've def found some good info on the hoffman boardsnot the greatest discussions always but sometimes some real old school head type engineer dude will drop some science and shit and that's cool
does tape op have boards? i should check those out
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 April 2017 21:17 (six years ago) link
In fact, I'm of the impression that Ken Scott (yes, he who worked with The Beatles) used to post at the retirement home but got pissed off with it eventually, calling the host a "jumped up cutting engineer" ... Ouch.
Bob Ezrin taking the Hoff to task over his work on Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies was also pretty hilarious.
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 17 April 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure if there are re-recorded guitar parts on that reissue. it's not the best sounding reissue though. but that's also not the best sounding album in any version.
― akm, Monday, 17 April 2017 21:20 (six years ago) link
"Bob Ezrin taking the Hoff to task over his work on Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies was also pretty hilarious."
where was that?
any truth to the story that All Things Must Pass had *re-recorded* guitar parts etc on the CD issued in 2001? admittedly i only ever read this tale on the forums in question.― piscesx, Monday, April 17, 2017 9:15 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― piscesx, Monday, April 17, 2017 9:15 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No, it's a load of bollocks. There was some overdubbing on 'I Live For You', which was recorded at the sessions but unfinished, so it was brought up to scratch and put out as a bonus track.
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 17 April 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
"jumped up cutting engineer" ... Ouch.
#ethered
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 April 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
xxxpost:
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/adventures-in-mastering-alice-cooper-billion-dollar-babies-for-audio-fidelity.334492/page-3
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 17 April 2017 21:28 (six years ago) link
holy shit that's amazing
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 April 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
xp ahh gotcha, makes sense. i still love ATMP's production, especially on What Is Life and Awaiting On You All; that hazy, blurry chaotic racket.
― piscesx, Monday, 17 April 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
i think the one thing that is really unforgivable is that he sold his own CDrs of his remaster work for All things Must Pass to the highest bidder (also, some other unreleased mastering jobs) in order to keep his site going. But he prohibits discussion or links to bootlegs on the site (actually that seems to have been loosened up quite a bit lately). I mean, he essentially personally profited off a bootlegged master and leaked that into the pirate market.
― akm, Monday, 17 April 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
if you ask about that on the site your message gets swifly deleted
See also: the Buddy Holly/The Picks saga.
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 17 April 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
As detailed here:
http://www.houstonpress.com/music/bone-to-pick-6567653
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 17 April 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
the concept of a forum moderated and owned by a very opinionated opinionated poster who dislikes dissent is... not appealing
― niels, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 06:22 (six years ago) link
Hoffman appears to be vaguely on the left when he posts on Twitter
The rival board mentioned above - it can at times be very amusing, but some of the people there are so consumed by hate for all things SH.tv that they frequently come across as far more pitiful than the goofballs they make fun of
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 15 February 2024 23:39 (one month ago) link
Yeah, was gonna say, the one thread I looked at on SC was full of far more reprehensibly misogynistic shit than anything I've ever seen lurking SHF.
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 16 February 2024 00:05 (one month ago) link
Some on SC just seem to wallow in being as negative about pretty much all rock and pop music to the extent that I think: what exactly is the difference between this and the negativity/narrow mindedness/inability to just enjoy music on the Hoffman board? That ‘sacred cows’ revered on SH.tv are finally getting put in their place? Who gives a crap?
― Road House: Songs and Stories (Master of Treacle), Friday, 16 February 2024 00:17 (one month ago) link
That’s what’s great. The kind of posting forged in the fires of Usenet insanity.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 16 February 2024 00:34 (one month ago) link
Steve Hoffman and forums, the two things I hateUSEnet and insanity, the two things that's great
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 February 2024 01:15 (one month ago) link
Finding a super-active Free Forum or usenet group feels so bizarre in 2024. Of course it's filled with completely off-the-chart non-linear obsessional derision and hate. 50/50 chance of one of them self-actualizing into something involving guns.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 16 February 2024 06:33 (one month ago) link
SC is nuts, there's a 271 page thread bashing just one Hoffman forum member's original music.
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Friday, 16 February 2024 09:42 (one month ago) link
They also get very upset indeed at the likes of very obvious, albeit subtle trolls like S.P. Honeybunch who provides excellent discussions like these
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/in-1992-did-nirvana-and-pearl-jams-successes-hurt-emi-usa-modern-rock-promotional-efforts-for-emf.1178741/
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/fine-young-cannibals-rock-n-roll-hall-of-fame.1159561/
― PaulTMA, Friday, 16 February 2024 11:32 (one month ago) link
Yeah, I'm not defending SC really, it's pretty toxic and creepy at times, but every now and then I like to duck in and see how they puncture the self-seriousness of H0ffman.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 February 2024 16:09 (one month ago) link
it’s horrifying and compelling
― brimstead, Friday, 16 February 2024 16:14 (one month ago) link
otm
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 February 2024 16:23 (one month ago) link
lol, PaulTMA. those are good finds
― budo jeru, Friday, 16 February 2024 16:28 (one month ago) link
SC has some great display names too ... Norman 'Whiplash' Mailer is art
― budo jeru, Friday, 16 February 2024 16:45 (one month ago) link
it’s mostly straight up bullying tbh but it does call out right wing bullshit and shady Steve stuff
― brimstead, Friday, 16 February 2024 17:54 (one month ago) link
an all-time favouritehttps://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/hows-about-one-last-beatles-concert.367997/
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 18 February 2024 15:48 (one month ago) link
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/was-madonnas-papa-dont-preach-influenced-by-the-jefferson-airplanes-papa-john-creach.885388/page-3
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 18 February 2024 15:49 (one month ago) link
And John Lennon's hologram can be beamed down from a Pred ship
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 18 February 2024 15:49 (one month ago) link