Compact camera recommendations

I need a couple of cameras to be used in a production environment by non-photographers who will want to be able to just point and shoot, often in low-light situations, and extremely quickly get the photos onto their computers. Prior to now they've been using 7Ds, often breaking the pins in the CF slot, being clumsy with the flash, etc. The cameras are FAR too complicated for them. I need something rugged and no-think that can still take a good picture.

I mean they don't really get simpler than the 7D. You can go 100% the other way and just get a bunch of rebels and throw them away when they break

With Lightroom, I find that I have to dial back some of the contrast to use the Fuji profiles.

Tracer: yeah, I'm not sure... if they're breaking CF pins and damaging the pop-up flash, then maybe something with an integral (flush?) flash and SD cards? I know they were just two random examples of clumsiness and not the main issue, but maybe a good solid compact like the Canon G7X or even the Fuji X100 series we've been discussing? You can just use a DSLR like a point-and-shoot, just like you can use ProTools like a tape recorder, but I know it's probably a bit daunting if you're not handy with it. There's a "green box" mode on the 7D, right?

Dr C/Milo: I've never used the Fuji profiles in Lr, I should have a go. Lots of people have been complaining about Lr Raw conversion for the X-Trans sensor (there are dozens of side-by-side screengrabs out there on forums showing how Such and Such Standalone Convertor from Small Company totally trounces Adobe at extracting detail from the X-series cameras) but I found a blog post from someone who came up with some fairly counterintuitive sharpness settings for Fuji, and they do the trick as far as I can tell (or care). So I have them as presets. I will have a look later.

Out on a limb here, since I know nothing about your profession/situation/etc., but would there be any possibility of, or percentage in, putting these staffers through some really basic photo courses? Dunno if it'd help with them being cavalier/clumsy with equipment, but I have to figure even a few tutorials or 1-2 classes at the local store (or wherever?) would lead to people being more comfortable with something like a 7D, or even get better pictures out of it! Just an idea.

Wonder how much, these days, even REALLY basic camera-handling techniques might be fading out. If you really only ever shoot with an iPhone than even the kind of grip amateurs would have learned to use with an Instamatic or latter-day point-and-shoots, or the small gentlenesses of unloading film, memory cards, or batteries, might be on their way out.... though we're probably a long way from that being a ubiquitous condition.

^ yeah basically. I have no clue how you bend a CF pin tbh. One of the things I remember my dad harping on about when I was little is that "you shouldn't have to force _____ in order for it to work." in these modern times you should assume that if a CF card isn't going into the slot it's user error and not the problem of the machine eg THINK, CHILD.

...speaking of which how old are these people who keep breaking shit bc really...

They are like 25 years old and yes, even the really basic camera handling techniques are like some ancient art to them.

They break the pins by shoving the card in the wrong way. Then they shove it in the RIGHT way, which damages the card itself. Then that doesn't work, and they leave the card lying on a desk, which someone else then tries to use in another camera, and the broken card then breaks the pins in THAT camera.

We have provided classes but only the motivated ones take the classes and/or pay attention, and they're not the ones we need to worry about anyway.

I have had a vote for the Fuji X10/20/40 series, so will go down to a shop and see how they feel.

Memory cards are going to be an issue with every camera - I guess an SD card slot is less breakable, but they'll be snapping the cards themselves left and right.

this is so weird to me tbh - how many cameras exactly have they broken? feel like just learning the "don't force things" rule and maybe like, idk, marking the cards and cameras up with brightly-colored electrical tape or paint or something to give you an "orange lines up with orange" type system might be cheaper than buying a new set of cameras.

or have another, separate person in charge of all memory card loading/unloading

lol

marking the cards and cameras up with brightly-colored electrical tape or paint or something to give you an "orange lines up with orange" type system might be cheaper than buying a new set of cameras.

Oh believe me we've done all this sort of thing. Colour-coded stickers, big clear arrows drawn with Sharpie, the works. That's why we're not letting these particular folks borrow the 7Ds anymore. They will be buying their own cameras, probably 2 of them, and I want to give them a recommendation about what to get.

what... class is this?

Maybe one of these?

http://m.thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-mirrorless-camera-under-1000/

I love my X100t, but there are many cameras for much less that are pretty close in image quality, and probably easier to use.

It's a radio station, Jimmy :/

Fujifilm X-A2 looks pretty nice. Do you need the ability to connect different lenses (like big zoom lenses for example)?

aaaaah I see...

If they need to use your existing EF lenses, a cheap Rebel makes the most sense. Familiar handling too, if they've been using the 7D. Dead-simple EOS M also an option, given how low their sale prices have gone in the past.

Awesome, thanks! EOS M is WAYYYY less expensive and looks super simps..

X-Pro2 announced from Fuji - more megapixels, better faster stronger etc..

X200 coming soon, then?

So over the holidays i traveled to visit family and didn't even bother to bring my big camera. I did miss it a few times but I just dont ever want to travel with it again so I resolved to slim down. I found an excellent original X100 on eBay (for cheap) which is arriving soon and will report back on whether it can at least partially fill the Canon's shoes.

So far, I think I'm really digging the X100S. Haven't Flickred anything from it yet but just from some preliminary poking in Lightroom I'm really impressed. The biggest thing is just how well that sensor performs - I can shoot at ISO 2000 and the images look good. I can shoot at 4000 and if I got a good exposure the images look good. If I have to boost overall brightness or shadows, I do start seeing some noise, but compared to where I would start on my previous camera, I mean, ISO 4000 looks like ISO 400 or something.

I do wish it were a little quicker on the draw, or maybe I just don't have my technique down yet. Need to read the manual through again and see what other kinds of shortcut/customization options I have. There's this very slight delay between pressing the topside function button and the associated menu popping up which is maybe part of my issue. Would love an actual physical dial for ISO just for maximum speed of being able to set that, but obviously there are strong reasons not to go that route. Overall though I'm feeling good about this camera and these images.

it's not you it's slow on the draw

http://www.shutterbug.com/content/old-becomes-new-olympus-unveils-pen-f-mirrorless-digital-camera-based-analog-classic

drooling uncontrollably

Nice but I still think Fuji have the edge in aesthetics.

I'm thinking of getting a new camera - I have a LUMIX FZ38 which is good but bulky and about eight years old.

Has anyone used the Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark II?

I've been using an E-M1 for the past couple of years, and Micro Four Thirds as far back as the GF1.

The E-M10 Mk. II is pretty hard to beat as an entry-level mirrorless camera, especially if you are interested in picking up additional lenses down the line. All it really lacks vs. the higher-end bodies is weather sealing, but you still get twin control dials, touchscreen, and a nice OLED viewfinder.

The new Lumix GX85 seems to be getting great reviews and has much better video quality, but it's a bit more expensive. Maybe Fuji X-E2 or XT-10?

Size comparison between the likely contenders: http://j.mp/2dQQHCn

Fuji a bit misleading since they lack a compact kit zoom, but most of their prime lenses are quite small.

I have a mk1 and love it

That's great, thanks all.

a sad end to a happy thanksgiving: dropped my X100S and it is a dead duck. on powering up, i get only a fixed display of white static in the viewfinder (whose shutter is incidentally stuck closed) and no response from any other part of the unit. :( last time i needed something fixed (purple static viewfinder glitching), it cost $300 which was half what i paid for the camera. now the price for a refurbished one is down to $300-500 so is it even worth trying to fix/sell?

confession, a dumb part of me is like, "wellp, guess that's the excuse to finally shell out for the X100F!" but that's a pretty big purchase! and i don't want to just get caught up in the holiday madness. and yet and yet.... that is a two-generations improvement. seems like biggest things are more megapixels, more customizable dials (freeing up one from being ISO, which should have been a dial to begin with), and most intriguing of all, the focus-point selector joystick... should i do this???

i guess i never really came back here to really report on the X100S but i really loved it, thanks again to those who chimed in with advice on this thread. kept in my backpack at all times and i got some great, great shots, not just "great for a compact" but great (imho!). in particular the dynamic range and performance in low light/high ISO are real winners. when i go out with my DSLR i still pack it and use it for tough "sunlight but also deep shadows" situations since my 5Dii just can't match that performance (might eventually have to make an upgrade there too - but, $$$).

the majority of what i snapped with it over the past two years (!) isn't online, but here's a few samples to show off its capabilities:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4418/37034677435_c51e9c3188_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4396/36893841121_970c7c7158_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4390/36199487274_a7959e5241_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4410/36987133876_7352962473_c.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4415/37004913472_b8a74b56b1_c.jpg

(all shot raw and then fiddled in lightroom)

Get the F. And report back. :) I have the T and I love it, but I’d like the F just for the ability to crop.

I’m thinking of getting an XT20 maybe. Replaceable lenses would be nice.

i would just get a new one

Sorry to hear about the X100S! Maybe by now there are X100Ts out there now for less than what you paid for the S two years ago?

(I know this is the *compact* camera thread, but talking of holiday deals, B&H and Adorama torture me every year with their Black Friday bundle emails. B&H were doing 6D2 + pro-grade printer + paper + spare battery + bag + battery grip + 64GB SD card for the dollar equivalent of £1070. That camera retails for about £1700 over here, body only. Of course, I don't *need* a 6D2 or anything else).

I got the F and the joystick is a PITA (it bumps around when I wear the cam around my neck) but overall it's the same experience/pleasure to use

also MJ the f*ing 5DIV deal is staring me in the face as my 5DIII is literally falling apart in places so I'm w/ you on the TORTCHA

http://78.media.tumblr.com/58cd0b2b77e342ab565bf97b2453e1b8/tumblr_owllpfGgrl1qb3bjyo1_1280.jpg

^ that's w the F. not that it really shows anything!

I have an X-T2, which is the same sensor as the X100F, it's really good (though 99.9% of photos I take are for my store's social media or Ebay now). Fuji's made big improvements in the autofocus speed in the last two generations.

Those rooftop babes appear very life like

er... is that supposed to be a reference to my friends?

fwiw anybody who is thinking about shelling out for the X100F, I can say that I am a million percent satisfied with mine. haven't gotten anything shot with it online yet but it is everything i liked about the X100S, but better. the focus point joystick thing is REALLY REALLY REALLY helpful, very fast and beats focus-and-recompose by miles. plus pretty easy to explain to people if you need to hand over the camera. the increased number of programmable buttons and dials is very helpful too and having the front dial to dedicate to ISO saves a ton of button-massing to change this very basic thing. i also think there's a real leap in high ISO performance, which was already excellent on my X100S. if you have a working S or T, it's not an urgent must-do upgrade, but if you're just in the market for a great camera to keep in your bag, and the price works for you, i really think it's phenomenal.

Was thinking abut the x100 for awhile but now the Sony a7s has my attention because of its reputation working with low light

X100 4 LYFE
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3798/12351945543_afc3631df0_o.jpg
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/711/22545069306_3c853e5d05_k.jpg
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3903/14355250525_0edb973750_k.jpg
All straight from the camera, no tweaking needed.

yeah, this line can do amazing things.

X100. Oh dear wish I'd not clicked on this thread now...

some discussion here

The camera thread.

Why did you do that the late great when I had pretended to have not bookmarked the thread? I have already been salivating on eBay.

doooo it

Soooooo I did it. X100 as early Xmas present to me. Looking forward to testing. Any tips for best results for an x100 beginner? Should I stick with the auto settings for best results?

Works for me! I pretty much leave it on Auto most of the time.