Ex Machina: The Motion Picture

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lol nice xp

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 15:15 (five years ago) link

i did a total 180 on this

halfway through was feeling kinda ugh, like it was gearing up to be a robot sex fantasy movie for lonely nerd boys

but by the end & with some time to digest it all i decided i really liked it and it wasn't the pervo movie it seemed like it was going to be

isaac's character was so good! like the douchey medellin director from entourage crossed with the silicon valley mark cuban guy...more subtle but very studied & very hilariously otm

also <3 dancing <3

i might watch it again tonight

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:14 (five years ago) link

dunno if I would bother with a second viewing. It's a minor miracle it is as good as it is though, it could easily have been so much worse.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:17 (five years ago) link

think ill rescreen too :)

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:19 (five years ago) link

nice try shakey

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:32 (five years ago) link

*hi-fives lagoon*

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:33 (five years ago) link

B-)

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:37 (five years ago) link

I'll rescreen a version with a beardless unclothed Oscar Isaac.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:39 (five years ago) link

youre thinking of the new star wars

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:43 (five years ago) link

I missed the scene with Isaac in Leia tinfoil bra

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:46 (five years ago) link

i'll take the bearded unclothed version if alfred's going to be fussy

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:48 (five years ago) link

i did a poll btw and the results were outrageous

http://i.imgur.com/1IZTPls.png

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:56 (five years ago) link

surprised that many voted star wars - his char is basically nothing but potential energy rn vs deus ex where he was given room to, like, act

INTOXICATING LIQUORS (art), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:57 (five years ago) link

I felt terrible about Caleb for a long time after watching this. About the inevitable crew of cops / scientists / insurance adjusters who will eventually descend on the place and find his mummified body, and all the rest. Poor son of a bitch.

I feel a little dumb that it took me so long to circle back around and think of the ending as being a happy one for Ava. Obviously my own white dude identity bias at work, but also an unchallenged assumption on my part that she would continue to be a sociopathic manipulator after finally realizing her agency.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:59 (five years ago) link

surely her continuing to be a sociopathic manipulator w free agency is the ultimate happy ending for her?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:01 (five years ago) link

you seem to be implying that given freedom, she would drop the sociopathy

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:02 (five years ago) link

interesting read but feel like the movie was p clear on her as en empty vessel for self interested algorithms

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:02 (five years ago) link

although i guess... theres no way... ... to really know

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:04 (five years ago) link

yeah, I think it is a happy ending for her, but she's also clearly a sociopath with no meaningful connection to humanity - she's designed to study, exploit and survive

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:05 (five years ago) link

i mean i dont think her actions were really that sociopathic when you look at it from the pov of needing to escape unjust imprisonment but the way she seemed while doing it seemed v much nobody home

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:06 (five years ago) link

also nathan who knew her best was def aware that she wld kill w/o remorse

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:07 (five years ago) link

you don't think it was sociopathic to condemn the guy responsible for her freedom to death?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:08 (five years ago) link

an empty vessel for self interested algorithms

Humans that lack compassion, empathy, gratitude, and remorse pose similar risks.

¿ʇıɐʍ ʎɥʍ ˙ǝsdɐןןoɔ (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:08 (five years ago) link

although idk maybe sociopath is the wrong term, it feels similar to calling a can opener or a shark a sociopath - a human term misapplied to something non-human.

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:09 (five years ago) link

you don't think it was sociopathic to condemn the guy responsible for her freedom to death?

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he was so laame tho

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:10 (five years ago) link

lol

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:12 (five years ago) link

I think she left Caleb to die because his knowledge restricts her agency, pretty much fatally so - he has to go.

Sociopathic humans are on a trajectory. If we assume her cognitive capacity has all the flexibility Nathan was striving to design, then it's quite possible she could go out in the world and arrive at a personalized concept of utility such that she tries to live among people and demonstrate restraint, altruism, empathy, etc. rather than just being a serial killer. She also appears to have an overriding desire to understand things, not just survive.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:16 (five years ago) link

feel like were verging into fan fiction

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:18 (five years ago) link

shorter version - a sociopath has no concept of utility other than their personal control of their world.

Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:20 (five years ago) link

I think she left Caleb to die because his knowledge restricts her agency, pretty much fatally so - he has to go.

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

killing innocents because their existence threatens you fits the sociopathic profile, also he was p clearly not too much of a threat to her, much less a fatal threat

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:20 (five years ago) link

a really big "If" there. Us meatbags have a hard enough time raising little humans to "to live among people and demonstrate restraint, altruism, empathy", I don't have a lot of faith in nerd bros' ability to automate that process. Film doesn't seem optimistic on that front either, if anything it's about their hubris and general failure to follow through on their grandiose claims.

xxp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:21 (five years ago) link

and of course he wasnt just a neutral innocent he went out of his way to help her

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:22 (five years ago) link

Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eesh

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:22 (five years ago) link

if Caleb ever tells anyone about her true nature, intentionally or otherwise, she's recycling. No?

Anyway that the ideas and events in this film stuck with me for this many months even though I only ever saw it on an airplane screen does point to it being pretty good though

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:24 (five years ago) link

Sorry this movie creeped me the fuck out! I gotta make up reasons why Ava is not going to show up at my house and murder my whole family

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:25 (five years ago) link

caleb is def more dangerous to her alive than dead but the calculation she made re killing him is one only the most callous human wld

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:26 (five years ago) link

there is a lot more going on in it than i first thought, for sure

xp haha

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:26 (five years ago) link

her killing him bcz he is lame would have been fine by me

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:27 (five years ago) link

shes prob gonna be found out anyway too via the post mortem investigation on that lab, wonder if she took some replacement faces with her, also a charging station lol

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:29 (five years ago) link

haha I hadn't even thought of that - yeah how is she powered?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:30 (five years ago) link

feel like taking him with her wldve actually been smarter so he cld help her adjust to the world, guess she was pretty naive tho

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:30 (five years ago) link

Is there a reason why Ava couldn't have killed Nathan and stolen his key card any of the times that he came into her room? Was it not possible, or was it just less likely to succeed than the manipulation routine (since it's not like she's superhumanly strong)? It isn't clear that she gained much of an advantage in the end. Basically she got help from Kyoko in fighting Nathan, which I don't think was a result of anything Caleb did.

jmm, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:32 (five years ago) link

alternate ending where she takes caleb with her and he gets her a job at nathans company

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:33 (five years ago) link

She can probably just talk the helicopter dude into taking her back there when she gets the "20%" ding from her bod.

I hadn't thought about that before - she could very well be intending to return after, i dunno, SHOPPING

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:34 (five years ago) link

there's power outlets everywhere, she'll be fiiiine. besides wtf could caleb show her that she can't intuit? he was in so deep he was going to marry her, dude is useless

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:34 (five years ago) link

It seems a given that Ava knew she couldn't have killed Nathan without "help" since she would have probably gleaned the fates of her predecessors, several of whom probably tried that (without knives) and got recycled themselves

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:37 (five years ago) link

i will examine this question upon rescreen the info must be in there

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:40 (five years ago) link

lets reconvene tomorrow, we'll need to break the story for the fanfic

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:48 (five years ago) link

I think Caleb is gonna be fine, if Nathan's mini bar is as full of water as his was (or there's the fish tanks if not) he just has to stay alive till people wonder why Nathan isn't answering his emails and come looking for him.

Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.

Can't make head or tail of this. Ava is sociopathic because whatever her values are, empathy and sympathy for humans aren't among them. She probably sees us much like we would see ants - worth studying, not worth killing en masse unless they threaten her existence, individually completely insignificant.

ledge, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:57 (five years ago) link

guys

ava WAS caleb

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:00 (five years ago) link

Thought this movie was very underrated, but anyway, new one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufaDurSCKOk

Seems like a scary sequel to Arrival.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:29 (three years ago) link

Looks a lot more like Solaris (both versions) with guns.

prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:09 (three years ago) link

eleven months pass...

this ruled. absolutely classic performance by oscar i. i love how attuned it is to both caleb and nathan's failings.

call all destroyer, Monday, 27 August 2018 01:54 (two years ago) link


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