Ex Machina: The Motion Picture

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So the emotional climax of this film is a multi-angle nude shot of its nubile lead actress? lol.

no, no, you're thinking of Under the Skin

edgetarian (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:32 (three years ago) link

under the skin was very good too

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:33 (three years ago) link

which had the best emotional climax is the question

edgetarian (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:34 (three years ago) link

to use the language of problematization "emotional climax" is doing a lot of work here

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:36 (three years ago) link

not to mention that in both movies the attractiveness of characters in question had been purposely created as a manipulative mechanism, which is to say the films were self aware on this point, one cld even read it as a comment on the very same exploitative tendency of film that some are pulling the curtain back on itt? lol

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:40 (three years ago) link

in the Glazer maybe

edgetarian (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:44 (three years ago) link

This one is about a movie adaptation of the comic book Ex Machina, which never happened.

Stop hijacking this dead thread about something that never happened!

Anyway fwiw I didn't *hate* this, lol nudity aside I didn't think making Nathan a creepy sex robot dungeon master was inappropriate, and ok the actual climax - leaving Caleb locked in the room - was well done and quite O_O. Should've ended it there though.

ledge, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:44 (three years ago) link

i want toumas to come back and yell at us more

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:46 (three years ago) link

the part how necessarily when a nerd tries to create a human it turns out a sociopath was very good and otm imo

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:48 (three years ago) link

also really enjoyed nathan manipulating calebs intelecutal arrogance

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:50 (three years ago) link

but then he actually manages to underestimate him!

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:50 (three years ago) link

this movie was an excellent depiction of how nerds are bad

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 23:50 (three years ago) link

Another lol, it's a nerd lol though. When they show the code Caleb is writing it's real code, woo! But under time pressure, writing code no-one will ever see again, he puts in comments including the unnecessarily lengthy
# Generate prime numbers using the sieve of Eratosthenes

ledge, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 09:46 (three years ago) link

Apparently if you run the code it prints out 'ISBN = ' and the number for this:
http://www.amazon.com/Embodiment-inner-life-Cognition-Consciousness/dp/0199226555#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1451469006337

ledge, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 09:53 (three years ago) link

lagotm

flopson, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 15:09 (three years ago) link

lol nice xp

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 15:15 (three years ago) link

i did a total 180 on this

halfway through was feeling kinda ugh, like it was gearing up to be a robot sex fantasy movie for lonely nerd boys

but by the end & with some time to digest it all i decided i really liked it and it wasn't the pervo movie it seemed like it was going to be

isaac's character was so good! like the douchey medellin director from entourage crossed with the silicon valley mark cuban guy...more subtle but very studied & very hilariously otm

also <3 dancing <3

i might watch it again tonight

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:14 (three years ago) link

dunno if I would bother with a second viewing. It's a minor miracle it is as good as it is though, it could easily have been so much worse.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:17 (three years ago) link

think ill rescreen too :)

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:19 (three years ago) link

nice try shakey

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:32 (three years ago) link

*hi-fives lagoon*

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:33 (three years ago) link

B-)

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:37 (three years ago) link

I'll rescreen a version with a beardless unclothed Oscar Isaac.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:39 (three years ago) link

youre thinking of the new star wars

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:43 (three years ago) link

I missed the scene with Isaac in Leia tinfoil bra

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:46 (three years ago) link

i'll take the bearded unclothed version if alfred's going to be fussy

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:48 (three years ago) link

i did a poll btw and the results were outrageous

http://i.imgur.com/1IZTPls.png

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:56 (three years ago) link

surprised that many voted star wars - his char is basically nothing but potential energy rn vs deus ex where he was given room to, like, act

INTOXICATING LIQUORS (art), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:57 (three years ago) link

I felt terrible about Caleb for a long time after watching this. About the inevitable crew of cops / scientists / insurance adjusters who will eventually descend on the place and find his mummified body, and all the rest. Poor son of a bitch.

I feel a little dumb that it took me so long to circle back around and think of the ending as being a happy one for Ava. Obviously my own white dude identity bias at work, but also an unchallenged assumption on my part that she would continue to be a sociopathic manipulator after finally realizing her agency.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 21:59 (three years ago) link

surely her continuing to be a sociopathic manipulator w free agency is the ultimate happy ending for her?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:01 (three years ago) link

you seem to be implying that given freedom, she would drop the sociopathy

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:02 (three years ago) link

interesting read but feel like the movie was p clear on her as en empty vessel for self interested algorithms

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:02 (three years ago) link

although i guess... theres no way... ... to really know

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:04 (three years ago) link

yeah, I think it is a happy ending for her, but she's also clearly a sociopath with no meaningful connection to humanity - she's designed to study, exploit and survive

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:05 (three years ago) link

i mean i dont think her actions were really that sociopathic when you look at it from the pov of needing to escape unjust imprisonment but the way she seemed while doing it seemed v much nobody home

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:06 (three years ago) link

also nathan who knew her best was def aware that she wld kill w/o remorse

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:07 (three years ago) link

you don't think it was sociopathic to condemn the guy responsible for her freedom to death?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:08 (three years ago) link

an empty vessel for self interested algorithms

Humans that lack compassion, empathy, gratitude, and remorse pose similar risks.

¿ʇıɐʍ ʎɥʍ ˙ǝsdɐןןoɔ (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:08 (three years ago) link

although idk maybe sociopath is the wrong term, it feels similar to calling a can opener or a shark a sociopath - a human term misapplied to something non-human.

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:09 (three years ago) link

you don't think it was sociopathic to condemn the guy responsible for her freedom to death?

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he was so laame tho

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:10 (three years ago) link

lol

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:12 (three years ago) link

I think she left Caleb to die because his knowledge restricts her agency, pretty much fatally so - he has to go.

Sociopathic humans are on a trajectory. If we assume her cognitive capacity has all the flexibility Nathan was striving to design, then it's quite possible she could go out in the world and arrive at a personalized concept of utility such that she tries to live among people and demonstrate restraint, altruism, empathy, etc. rather than just being a serial killer. She also appears to have an overriding desire to understand things, not just survive.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:16 (three years ago) link

feel like were verging into fan fiction

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:18 (three years ago) link

shorter version - a sociopath has no concept of utility other than their personal control of their world.

Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:20 (three years ago) link

I think she left Caleb to die because his knowledge restricts her agency, pretty much fatally so - he has to go.

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

killing innocents because their existence threatens you fits the sociopathic profile, also he was p clearly not too much of a threat to her, much less a fatal threat

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:20 (three years ago) link

a really big "If" there. Us meatbags have a hard enough time raising little humans to "to live among people and demonstrate restraint, altruism, empathy", I don't have a lot of faith in nerd bros' ability to automate that process. Film doesn't seem optimistic on that front either, if anything it's about their hubris and general failure to follow through on their grandiose claims.

xxp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:21 (three years ago) link

and of course he wasnt just a neutral innocent he went out of his way to help her

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:22 (three years ago) link

Ava seems to be capable of perceiving utility in learning as an end in itself, if so, then she would arrive at utility calculations that aren't the same as a true sociopath.

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eesh

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:22 (three years ago) link

if Caleb ever tells anyone about her true nature, intentionally or otherwise, she's recycling. No?

Anyway that the ideas and events in this film stuck with me for this many months even though I only ever saw it on an airplane screen does point to it being pretty good though

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:24 (three years ago) link

Sorry this movie creeped me the fuck out! I gotta make up reasons why Ava is not going to show up at my house and murder my whole family

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:25 (three years ago) link

get on that shit dude

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 January 2016 19:10 (three years ago) link

there's power outlets everywhere, she'll be fiiiine. besides wtf could caleb show her that she can't intuit? he was in so deep he was going to marry her, dude is useless

― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:34 (3 days ago)

I think going without him might have been a bigger risk. She probably could have exploited him further.

I really never thought about Caleb being perfectly safe in the house. Don't know why I was so sure he would die.

Glad this film eventually got watched, talked about and awards. When it came out in Britain I was afraid it had pretty much flopped and was going to disappear.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 January 2016 20:30 (three years ago) link

its streaming on amazon fyi everyone

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 January 2016 22:56 (three years ago) link

i rewatched it was good

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 January 2016 22:56 (three years ago) link

they didnt say why shd didnt just steal nathans key card btw except i guess we cld assume that there was some security thing that wldnt let her leave the room

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 January 2016 22:58 (three years ago) link

i watched the behind the scenes stuff on the bluray, vikkander wore a full bodysuit made of that silver mesh, they didnt have to green screen her at all for any of her scenes

also her & the woman who plays the japanese robot are both ex-ballet dancers, makes so much sense now, the way they inhabit the space & their precise movements, subtle head tilts & gestures, genius bit of casting

also the location for nathan's lair is a house + the hotel, they combined parts from both

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 January 2016 23:24 (three years ago) link

wow, zero idea that Evil Elon Musk was Poe Dameron until now

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 4 January 2016 07:14 (three years ago) link

i didn't either. god, i am the absolute worst with that. i also didn't recognize him in star wars, despite having recently watched him for 6 hours in Show Me a Hero. i am like the guy that doesn't recognize someone when they put charlie chaplin accessories on their face

Karl Malone, Monday, 4 January 2016 15:45 (three years ago) link

i didnt recognize him either he looked really different

lag∞n, Monday, 4 January 2016 16:19 (three years ago) link

smdh @ all of u

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 4 January 2016 16:41 (three years ago) link

saw this the other day. it was okay. kind of an obvious denouement but on the whole, i liked how it unraveled. the creepiest bit was the android demanding to know why she couldn't be let out and then smashing herself against a wall.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Monday, 4 January 2016 16:43 (three years ago) link

I had to see Oscar Isaac in like three different things before I realized they were all the same dude. He's chameleonic, fer sure.

Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 January 2016 16:51 (three years ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.quora.com/At-the-end-of-the-movie-why-does-Ava-ask-Caleb-to-stay-in-the-room
^^this ridiculously long post is somewhat circular in its logic but does contain perspectives that may be of interest

And Caleb thinks he wants to set Ava free, but his perception of her and choice to try to "rescue" her is driven by his own sexual feelings for her, and his ability to see her as a "person" are driven by his ability to feel sexually attracted to her and to justify his attraction to her... and, most importantly, by his assumption that she returns his affections. If he were not sexually attracted to her, and if she did not suggest she was sexually attracted to him, then he would surely not have reacted as he did nor tried to help her escape. His idea of "rescue" is dependent on sexualization of her as a gendered being who will have sex with him. Which is an extension of gender bias and privilege, and of oppression.

niels, Thursday, 16 June 2016 13:08 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

I just watched this.

AVA obviously has no compunction about walking away from the house with Caleb alive, but trapped and probably doomed to a slow death. She is not distressed by this at all. This is pretty good evidence that AVA never had any attachment to or compassion for Caleb, which prima facie proves she was entrapping him purely for the purpose of escape.

However, since AVA's only previous experience of humans prior to meeting Caleb was her master/slave relationship with Nathan, her manipulation of Caleb does not imply that she was incapable of developing a more operative sense of compassion with humans in the future, assuming she learned more about our variations and was less vulnerable to oppression by humans, being both mobile and intelligent (and well-disguised as not an 'other').

btw, I am only using "she" and "her' as shorthand, seeing that AVA is presented to us in the form of a human female. In truth, she is not a woman. It would have been a somewhat different movie if AVA had been male and the interrogator a woman.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 03:18 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

Ah, pretty decent movie. Some initial reactions.

Nice "hey that's not how the Turing test works, is this going to be *really* bad?" fake-out near the beginning.

The repeated gag about wrongly attributed quotes.

The implication at the end I think is that AVA's emergence into the world is the beginning of the end for humans. Caleb quoting Oppenheimer (quoting the Bhagavad-Gita) is not just about Nathan killing off prototypes. This is made more explicit by the appearance of the OMD song earlier in the film and of course Nathan saying that the next model will be the "singularity". The next model will be built by AVA.

Although bored by so many Eurorack Carpenter knock-offs the Barrow / Salisbury soundtrack was really good. Some luvverly filtering.

Didn't recognise Poe Dameron even though I only just re-watched TFA. Weird choice making this guy a pisshead. You'd think coke + 'research chemicals'; possibly a ratings consideration.

It's not perfect but it's ahead of some of the people on imdb who think it's too dumb.

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 09:28 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

Thought this movie was very underrated, but anyway, new one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufaDurSCKOk

Seems like a scary sequel to Arrival.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:29 (one year ago) link

Looks a lot more like Solaris (both versions) with guns.

prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:09 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

this ruled. absolutely classic performance by oscar i. i love how attuned it is to both caleb and nathan's failings.

call all destroyer, Monday, 27 August 2018 01:54 (one year ago) link


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