best Fall album for starters

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This record is driving me crazy all over again.

I mean, really, what could you possibly need out of the Fall that that record doesn't deliver? "Marquis Cha-Cha" is a song I've always considered a primary gateway drug for those unfamiliar with The Fall. And I've already blabbed enough on my blog about "Hard Life In Country", so I'll try to remain silent here.

Totally agreed. LOVE IT. Always been weird to me that of the EP's bookending Hex, Slates gets so much more notice.

So many peaks. "Solicitor in Studio" always sounds to me like a band that knows how great it is but just can't deal anymore w/ playing cool about it, and it just bubbles over. Also: "Detective Instinct" has to be as concentrated a distillation of the MES Gogol-on-greenies m.o. as exists in the catalog...going to listen now!

my version of this is the Line reissue with the "Lie-Dream"/"Fantastic Life" single added to it. For years I thought those were part of the record proper. With them added, this is an amazing Fall album. Without, well, still good but not in my top ten. "Hard Life In Country" is my fave for some reason, even with its relentless grinding repetition.

There really is no wrong place to start with the Fall, pre '90s work at least. About five years ago I just started picking up the '80s albums as I found them used and heard them in the order I did. In general, I strongly believe the best place to start in any catalog is not necessarily the "canonical" album. Nowhere to go but downhill, theoretically speaking, from there.

My favorite Fall album is probably Bend Sinister. I still only have heard a bit of the '90s stuff though. A long way to go!

Absolutely agreed on 'Room to Live'. I've only listened to it for the first time very recently, long after I'd absorbed the rest of their pre-Brix material. As much as I love 'Slates', this really does deserve as much attention.

Well, 'Room To Live' was my first Fall album, but it didn't make a fan of me. However, the next one, 'This Nation's Saving Grace' did.

a mate of mine asked me this very question the other week; i gave him a lend of "50,000 fall fans" but said -- and i'd stand by this! -- that "imperial wax solvent" is a fucking awesome place to start.

fwiw here is the Fall fan site's poll:

After 27 weeks of round robin polls on the forum, the 2008 Fall Albums League has finished. The 27 studio albums (not including Imperial Wax Solvent, which hadn't been released at the start of the competition) finished in this order:

1. Hex Enduction Hour
2. Perverted By Language
3. Grotesque
4. Slates
5. This Nation's Saving Grace
6. Dragnet
7. The Real New Fall LP Formerly C.O.T.C.
8. The Wonderful And Frightening World Of...
9. The Unutterable
10. Bend Sinister

11. Room To Live
12. The Frenz Experiment
13. The Infotainment Scan
14. Live At The Witch Trials
15. Extricate
16. Fall Heads Roll
17. I Am Kurious Oranj
18. Levitate
19. Code: Selfish
20. The Light User Syndrome

21. Shift-Work
22. The Marshall Suite
23. Middle Class Revolt
24. Cerebral Caustic
25. Reformation Post TLC
26. Are You Are Missing Winner
27. Seminal Live

So a pretty high showing for Room To Live. And Fall Heads Roll is not that good, wtf.

For Brix-era stuff I've always liked Bend Sinister the most. If you like Wings, there are
plenty of similar dark twisted tales herein, especially the opener R.O.D; plus upbeat organ-driven
things.
Pre-Brix you can't go wrong with the holy trinity: Grosteque, Slates, Hex

it's when i look at lists like that i remember i obviously hear very different things in the fall to a lot of other listeners ;)

I find that over twenty years of Fall fandom I mostly listen to one album to represent each epoch. Live At the Witch Trials, This Nation's Saving Grace, and Middle Class Revolt cover it for me (although I own a bunch of other great ones). Slates, Hex, Bend Sinister... great albums. I just never play them anymore.

"Hard Life In Country" folks. They ought to put that out to the aliens from other planets as one of the best things the human race has achieved here on earth.

SOLICITOR IN STUDIO

wait!!! Grimly has a new screen name that involves John Cooper Clarke!! I've been outdone! Oh my god, I've been outdone.

... by everyone....

Globo have covered the whole of "This Nations Saving Grace"

http://www.globo.org.uk/

(beware the embedded mp3 on that page. 'LA' on the Freak Zone on Sunday sounded better than 'Couldn't Get Ahead' here)

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^^a comp, but definitely made me a fan

gives you some sort of roadmap to all their different eras etc, they can be a hard band to figure out as a newbie

of course...

Oh! The Fall John Peel Sessions box set! OH! you guys.

'50,000 Fall Fans...' definitely took me from curiosity to full-on obsession when I first dipped into the back catalogue. Prior to that, all I'd heard was the Peel session of 'Blindness' and a couple of tracks from 'This Nation's Saving Grace'. It's a great place to start, contains a nice booklet with a basic discography, etc.

off topic but i have just finished reading "the fallen" by dave simpson, where he tracks down the former members of the fall. great stuff and highly recommended.

it's on my list ... once i've finished "a disaffection" ... oh, and a fucking mountain of psychology articles. and "neurophysiology for numpties". tits.

his wee piece in the grauniad the other week ("i lost my girlfriend because i was too busy chasing around drummers from the fall") was fundamentally depressing, mind.

is that an actual book?

what, dave simpson's? yeh, he deci ... oh, you mean "neurophysiology for numpties". no. sadly.

ASIDE:
anyone know that blog that made it a project to go through every fall release ever and review with links to the albums? i just looked at it recently and cannot remember where.

I let a coworker listen to Extricate today, and he loved it. First he's ever heard of the Fall... so I'd say Extricate is a good choice.

Extricate wouldn't be my first choice...Stephen, I wrote you an email back to yours and you didn't respond. Could it be in your spam folder? Sorry we keep missing each other!

If I was to blindly pick two, Extricate and Nations Saving Grace would be them.

The remaster of Ex is weird: The tracks that were not on the album have ben removed from CD1, and put onto CD2 along with the 12" versions and b-sides. Which is wrong.

What do you mean? The tracks that weren't on the LP, but were on the cd and tape? Like, um, Extricate itself in fact?

Exactly that, yes.

That is, as you say, wrong. I had the tape, and I always felt that Extricate was the perfect end of album song.

.. and the track "Black Monk Theme 2" the perfect intro to "Telephone thing", and so on.

that's how i will always listen to it, no matter what.

me too.

Extricate wouldn't be my first choice...Stephen, I wrote you an email back to yours and you didn't respond. Could it be in your spam folder? Sorry we keep missing each other!

It wouldn't be my first choice, either, but it happened to be the Fall album I had on hand that day. He loved "British People in Hot Weather" anyway, what a great song that is! Anyway... I received your email but hadn't bothered to reply since you'd be back on Friday. I'm having a busy week anyway. I'll get around to it soon, I promise!

This Nation's Saving Grace has been in heavy digital rotation for me lately. So that.

One of the wonderful things about The Fall is that any of the albums can be a great place for someone to start, really. Even the weakest releases have some odd, redeeming quality.

That said, I just got my paws on Fall In A Hole (the remastered version with the bonus disc), and might be my favourite thing ever at the moment.

Yessum, that version of CnC Black Night, wot I had not heer'd before, where he does the shotgun sounds, is just mahvlis.

Agreed about any Fall album being a good place to start. I'm not sure Seminal: Live would be top of anyone's list of their best, but who would want to be without HOW, Mollusic in Tyrol or Elf Prefix?

Fall In A Hole! Haha! I dragged my boombox into my bathroom and played that once while taking a shower! Hell, I should do that again somtime.

Don't get me started on Seminal:Live...

Let's get started, Bimble!

DETECTIVE INSTINCT

I'm not so big on the production of This Nations Saving Grace so I would either go for Live at the Witch Trials or Hex Education Hour.

DETECTIVE INSTINCT

― Hot Pants Floyd (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:37 AM (4 hours ago)

Ff ff.

I should have added that I never really got Detective Instinct until someone pointed out to me the intermittent 'ff ff's in the background of the song. What they're all about I do not know, but love them I do.

Fall in a Hole -- maybe my favourite live album of all time. That version of Fantastic Life that starts out the second disc (on the remastered version)! It's like I was hearing that song for the first time

I think I'd stand by 'Grotesque (After the Gramme)' as a great Fall starter album. The band's sound really began to evolve away from its earliest incarnations, and the lyrics are some of MES's best and most topical—a fantastic introduction to his worldview.

'Slates' would probably serve just as well.

'Hex Enduction Hour' is great, but it's a little dense and relentless for the uninitiated.

I think I'd pick Slates over Grotesque...I can imagine most noobs being turned off by C'n'C/S. Mithering...not to mention the diminishing returns
of the second side (sans NWRA of course)

Yeah I don't know why but Grotesque has never been all that high on my list of Fall albums.

Also you are right: Slates is better.

Auto Chip 2014-2016 is miraculous though yeah. I think Smith is a big part of that one though! HOW BAD ARE ENGLISH MUSICIANS!

My journey started with this, which I loved and stewed over for a few months:

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Then, I just dove into a deep end with this, thanks to a well-timed Borders gift card blessing:

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Only then did I start picking up reissues of the older stuff and keeping up with the then current albums as they came out.

tough to go wrong with those at your first two, tbh

*as* your first two

I mean, it worked! Turned me into a huge fan.

Oh the Peel box is absolutely epic, but I always figured it was overdose for a new fan. The two that got me into the fold were "Palace Of Swords Reversed" (still one of my all-time favorite compilations) and "A-Sides 84-89".

My first was 458489 A-Sides, which I immediately liked, but I don’t think I truly “got” it until I heard Grotesque.

"Words of Expectation" on the first disc in the Peel Set is my very favorite thing in the world

discovered the fall in 89 with bend sinister when i found it on sale at woolworths. quickly acquired all of the beggars banquet albums as they were easily available, then it was palace of swords reversed that introduced me to the early fall stuff.

mine was hearing "The Man Whose Head Expanded" on the radio around time of release, first record I heard/got was Wonderful & Frightening World

wonderful & frightening world was for the longest time my least liked album... i had the cassette version with tons of extra tracks and it was just too much to take! now it's my favorite.

yep, I love that tape version

Loved the b-sides collection . some weird shit.
first saw them around Xmas 83 then several times over the next couple of years. Probably last in Belfast in like 95.

LOve that Dragnet, Hex Enduction era and a little later. Not really investigated their later years overmuch.

The BBC history documentary was quite good too.

i started with Grotesque and it worked, had everything in short order afterwards

I'd heard "Bingo Master" on the Rhino DiY Uk Punk II comp in the mid-'90s and the way MES's vox didn't quite sit on the beat unnerved me a bit. Nonetheless in 2000, when Early Years 77-79 was reissued, I decided to take the plunge and found I liked this slightly off-center approach, with the dinky electric piano and this guy who sounded kind of punk but seemed to put himself somewhere above it, and I wanted more. A year as a student (MES be not proud) in England then made it possible to track down most of the studio albums, where the real catalyst for my fandom was 458489 A-Sides.

For me one of the magical things about a lot of Fall albums (Hex, Frenz, Unutterable, and Reformation were examples) was how they would be opaque at first, still baffling on the second listen, and then would suddenly click on the third. Some were more immediate (Infotainment, Marshall Suite, Dragnet), a few never quite got there (Kurious Oranj, Middle Class Revolt) and one seemed like a dud but after several listens over a few years eventually became a lower-tier favorite (Cerebral Caustic).

I'm not sure the post-YFOC stuff has that thing there that takes extra listens to "get," though I quite like a couple of these (Re-Mit is a bit skimpy but fun, SLT has the best overall quality of the Cherry Red albums).

I think if I were advising a newcomer who was actually interested in physical product (do these exist?), you could do a lot worse than Cherry Red's singles box, despite its somewhat dubious logic in terms of B-side selection — you could choose the A-sides only option. The first disc of both comps, from "Bingo Master" through "Cruiser's Creek," makes about as good a case for the greatness of The Fall as any single disc I've heard.

Cassette version of wonderful and frightening was my intro to the fall as well
True it’s an enormous amount of music but you only had to listen to one side at a time