The Great ILX Gun Control Debate

“I made a decision in a split second,” she told judge Julie Nicholson on Wednesday, according to WJBK. “Maybe it was not the right one, but I was trying to help.”

jeez, maybe people shouldn't have the opportunity to make potentially deadly split-second decisions

ostensibly pro-gun control liberals who are suddenly concerned about banning ppl on no-flight lists from buying guns are insane.

i really don't think they're *that* concerned about it, i think it's a weak attempt to troll or turn a somewhat right wing idea back against them.

it's total black comedy watching these two sides try to outmaneuver one another sometimes

i agree actually. no one should be able to buy guns. the fact that no-fly lists are probably unconstitutionally vague and broad is a point in its favor here xxp

I just had a guy throw a screaming fit when he saw that I was putting up a 30.07 sign (required sign in Texas forbidding people from open carrying) in one of my stores. Kind of hope they stage a protest so I can tow their cars.

gotta admit that I first thought "thirty ought....seven?" when I scanned yr post

ditto

That's how I read it in my head. The sign banning concealed carry is actually a '30.06 sign.' Not sure if it's random chance or one Texas legislator in 1994 thought he was funny.

Coincidence, it would appear

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/7/30

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Little Red Riding Hood (Has a Gun)

What if the Native Americans had guns?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_incident

An armed society is a polite society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhBNSv2Rqn0

The best thing is, dude already had a gun. He could have just been like "$25 service fee? Well I'll save up my allowance and come back next week. I've got at least one other gun to hold me over in the meantime."

that NRA red riding hood thing is a ripoff of james thurber:

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2009/12/thurber-tonight-fables-for-our-time-hen.html

Facebook bans private gun sales posts - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/technology/facebook-gun-sales-ban.html

Tampa.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives reports in a news release that ATF agents, along with FBI bomb technicians and Tampa police, executed a search warrant Monday at the home of 24-year-old Michael Ramos. Tampa police had passed along a tip about the explosives to ATF. The news release says Ramos had previously expressed anti-government sentiment and acknowledged being in possession of explosives. Besides the bombs, agents reported finding an AK-47 semi-automatic rifle, a .45 caliber pistol and large amounts of ammunition.

After his arrest, Ramos admitted to making a number of pipe bombs and identified websites he used as reference in making them. He told detectives he bought fuses from Phantom Fireworks, PVC pipe from Home Depot, and other bomb-making materials from Amazon.com. He also admitted to having tear gas, which he bought from keepshooting.com, and smoke grenades at his house. Ramos continued, saying he recently sold a Mossberg, pump action shotgun with a shortened barrel, which he purchased at a Walmart in Lakeland. Ramos told detectives in a written statement he manufactured eight black-powder-based pipe bombs for "preparedness/protective" reasons. He also wrote he never had intentions of harming anyone with the bombs.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41746/anti-government-extremists-terrorism/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxgEeTScnTw

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-silencers-idUSKCN0WA19E

just curious, what is the argument for silencers, from the perspective of people who love guns and claim they want them for self-protection? is it so that if there are multiple attackers in your home, you can go from room to room (after detecting the intruders with your advanced recon eq and donning your nightvision goggles, of course) taking them down one by one without the others hearing and fleeing, so you can achieve a 100% kill rate?

is it so that you can go hunting with your pistol a little bit closer to the area you live without angering the neighbors with the noise?

I've heard hunters claim it's good for not scaring away other animals, and the same argument from animal control people. But I think that's largely bullshit. I also heard (hilariously/darkly) someone anti-silencer say that in an active shooter scenario silencers would make it too difficult for anyone to take credit for taking out the bad guy.

The arguments I've heard from gun loving relatives for having them boils down to "freedom" and "slippery slope."

First, they came for our silencers ...

It reminds me of the argument for privacy rights: it's not about why they're (silencers, assault rifles, etc) needed, it's about the government not meddling in individuals' lives, even in the face of safety or security concerns.

I have relatives who buy guns COMPLETELY as an expression of the freedom to do so. They never even look at them (but they do talk about them) but they occasionally buy more.

My brother recently bought another handgun (with a gift certificate I gave him....). I asked him why he would buy it and he said, with surprise and no irony, "Why wouldn't I buy it?" O_o

...but I did not speak out, because I was not silent*.

*(I am a gun-hugging windbag).

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/gun-loving-florida-mom-shot-by-4-year-old-son-hours-after-bragging-he-gets-jacked-up-to-shoot

If only she had a gun to defend herself from future attempted carjackings.

just curious, what is the argument for silencers, from the perspective of people who love guns and claim they want them for self-protection? is it so that if there are multiple attackers in your home, you can go from room to room (after detecting the intruders with your advanced recon eq and donning your nightvision goggles, of course) taking them down one by one without the others hearing and fleeing, so you can achieve a 100% kill rate?

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, March 9, 2016 8:15 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they don't really work all that well. the sound of a gun being fired is always pretty loud, even with the suppressor collecting all the gas that's vented. i think in a building interior there's still no mistaking a gun being fired. most of the benefit is protecting people's ears!

ironically in some countries guns are *required* to have suppressors, for sound-pollution reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZU5TGljAmw

they don't really work all that well. the sound of a gun being fired is always pretty loud, even with the suppressor collecting all the gas that's vented. i think in a building interior there's still no mistaking a gun being fired. most of the benefit is protecting people's ears!

ironically in some countries guns are *required* to have suppressors, for sound-pollution reasons.

― goole, Wednesday, March 9, 2016 12:16 PM (47 minutes ago)

i get that it might be second-nature if you're from gun country but one thing i really wish is that lefties would't cede rhetorical ground by using industry-approved terms like "suppressor" or "long gun"

Dick enhancer

Muzzle muzzle

serious question - what would be a better term for "suppressor"? "silencer"? if so why would that be better?

because it's the more common lay term and evokes a sense of criminality whereas "suppressor" is the industry-approved euphemism. words can be powerful. conservatives made "partial-birth abortion" a common term and no doubt that terminology helped pass that law

interesting, i hadn't thought of silencer as implying more criminality - i thought the distinction was just bc silencers are not really silent (but they do suppress).

i mean typically when people think "silencer" they think like, james bond and hit men, no?

i guess - i think of video games immediately. but i don't know that james bond associations are necessarily a negative.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/30/silencers_the_nras_latest_big_lie/

Good history of silencers here.

kevin i think your objection -- and specifically the comparison to "partial birth abortion" -- are way off

one thing i wish is that lefties didn't sound totally ignorant when they talk about guns! like not knowing what caliber means or the various contextual meanings of "automatic" or using really meaningless categories like "military" or w/e

"suppressor" afaik isn't an industry-approved marketing euphemism, it's what the things are really called and always have been. and as far as the connotations go, it's letting you know that the gun will not be silent. "silencer" is a longtime marketing term, and a hollywood-ism.

"PBA" was completely made up by prolife activists of course.

i don't get the objection to 'long gun' either. "shotgun and/or rifle" is like x2 the letters

serious question - what would be a better term for "suppressor"? "silencer"? if so why would that be better?

― Mordy, Wednesday, March 9, 2016 12:42 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Murdershusher?

xp. just seems to lump a huge variety of weapons, some of which are old rickety bolt action rifles, some of which are civilian versions of rifles used by the army to shoot people, under the vague term "long gun"

seems weird doh

the whole point is to lump things together, it's a broad category. as i understand it the meaning is "he had a gun (and it wasn't a pistol but we don't know what it was specifically)"

in a lot of video games you can hold one long gun and one short? gun at a time. apropos of nothing.

like they conflate shotguns with assault rifles with sniper rifles etc

My brother recently bought another handgun (with a gift certificate I gave him....)

Given the concept of just buying guns from a depsartment store blows my mind anyway, all I can imagine here is he's popped into IKEA and purchased a PJISTÄL.