POO: Wu-Tang

lol thats a great line

So this is all an elaborate plan for Shkreli to get to meet Bill Murray. Very clever.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/fbi-arrests-controversial-turing-pharmaceuticals-ceo-martin-shkreli-report-n481671?cid=sm_fb

No word on how this will affect the Wu album.

According to Bloomberg, some of his assets might be seized, including the album.

rare Wu-Tang album to be sold at police auction

all bill murray has to do now is disguise himself as a crime scene tech and waltz in, waltz out

I hope RZA already cashed that check.

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haha

lol

The Showtime documentary was superb (cried when Ghost broke down talking about ODB's death). Who would've guessed U-God would be the MVP of it? And for all there is to love about RZA, he's clearly the villain of the group.

That aside, the best Wu joint ever is "Triumph." If Cappadonna's verse was cut, it might be my favorite song ever. Crazy that they invited in one of the worst MCs to ever hold a mic after they were already massive.

Two words: "Winter Warz." Cap's the MVP of that shit

I want to see this documentary but I don't have the energy to start a free trial of Showtime and then have to remember to cancel it before the trial period is up

I do agree about "Triumph" being top tier Wu, btw. I'm old enough to remember the premiere of the video and remember thinking Wu Tang Forever was gonna be even better than 36 Chambers. Obviously, this would not be the case. But what a single.

Cosign the praise of the showtime documentary, watched over the last few days and thought it was finally the doc their story deserves. Couldnt believe how much contemporaneous footage there was of actual arguments, incl ODB begging to be let out of his contract, members arguing with Divine about money, etc. It was super sad to see the footage of ODB working on his post-prison album, knowing that it would never get finished. Fav part may have been RZA and Ghost arguing over who saw the Shaolin and Wu Tang movie first.

Also Cilvaringz comes off as a complete dope, which is funny.

Had heard about this, then forgot about it again, until this thread update, so downloaded this and just watched the first episode. What a documentary man... Made with so much love! The scenes at the Statue of Liberty, them recalling the projects and the hustling and bustling, the racism that just incinerates young black people... It's very powerful stuff.

Crazy that they invited in one of the worst MCs to ever hold a mic after they were already massive.

― Wally P. Doyle, Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:24 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

woah that's way wrong

plus Cappadonna was already in the Wu right? or at least the story I'd read that he would have been on 36 Chambers but he was in jail or something

Big Cap a.k.a. the Cabdriver

yeah cappadonna went way back with RZA he for sure would have been on 36 chambers

Yeah it's in the doc as well, they all wanted Cappa to join when he got out of jail

(ripped through two episodes more, only one to go)

I never realized this back in the day, but RZA (and Divine had a big part in this, too) not wanting to sign out ODB was some cold shit, him just coming out of jail for that ridiculous racist charge, strapped for cash.

"Call me a cab, it's the razor sharp kid!" Cappadonna's The Pillage easily ranks with the best of the first wave of solo albums.

Showtime docu is fantastic, especially since it's warts n' all and not a glorified puff piece. These guys, at their height, were untouchable and it was a thrill to hear everything that came out of the Wu camp when they were on fire.

And the classic albums *still* hold up, just as classic today.

This was the best. People who don't even know Wu should totally see this as well. It's got everything: the timeless art of coming from nothing, making millions amongst friends and having everything fall apart. The realness of them facing racism. The way most of them (well, those alive still) getting it together right now.

Cilvaringz is def a dope, as mentioned upthread, but Divine comes off worse imo.

you can figure out which Diggs brother is the genius based on their choice of filming location and seating

Ha, yeah! Divine near the end mentions getting burned by the Wu crew as someone "sitting on his boat". While sitting on his boat...

The scenes at the Statue of Liberty.

Right? He called it the best job he ever had and man did he mean it!

This is the first music documentary I have enjoyed in a very long time (and I watch a lot of them because I am a masochist). Only weak parts for me were the perhaps inevitable celeb talking head bits (though it can be argued that Jarmusch deserves to be there given his history with RZA; Seth fucking Rogen, not so much). But thoroughly enjoyed this, thought it was really well done. Doc also confirms something I have long suspected: Ghost is the heart of the Wu.

Agreed, Rogen certainly had no place in this. They shouldn't have done the celeb talking heads bit, it contributed nothing.

I didn't think the Wu-Tang Clan could sustain a four hour documentary a la Tom Petty or whomever, but two episodes in and it's pretty interesting so far.

Rogen stuck out a little, but not knowing where the series is going he still probably works as a usual proxy for the group's white audience. I doubt it's addressed, at least not explicitly, but it's kind of striking contrasting all the old clips and tales from the streets being performed or told to almost exclusively black audiences and more recent clips of the group playing to all white audiences. Rogen may not have much cultural analysis to offer, but he does have experience as a fan or audience member, or at least one particular type of both, that has helped the group last this long.

And on that front the Wu-Tang Clan is a small miracle. (More or less) nine powerful personalities, many with successful solo careers, sticking together for 25 years? I can hardly imagine.

A lot of what you're wondering (the black/white audience thing) will be thoroughly addressed, explicitly, later on. :)

Good to know. I'm glad!

And--MILD SPOILER--the third act is predictably where things also begin to get a little dark

I finished Chamber Music recently, which is very good, so I need to see this. Cappadonna hit the countryside!

As far as apt malaphors go, Cappadonna describing ODB at the start of part three as "smarter than a speeding bullet" is the best.

Some of the ODB footage is tough to watch. The scene of him talking to Divine on the phone choking back tears saying "It's me, man, it's Rusty" is seriously heartbreaking

I just finished part 3. I forgot how bad ODB looked when he got out of jail. I also can't believe (and didn't remember) that he was put away for 3 years for wearing body armor.

Man, his Don Jr. looking weasel of a manager. Highlight might have been RZA coming in to the studio, and that dude, Jared, being all "who are you?" And RZA just shoots him a look and coldly says "you know who I am."

OK, gotta admit, part four was kind of a chore. It felt like the same story over and over, and the shit about Once Upon a Time in Shaolin, Cilvaringz and Martin Shkreli, I could give a shit. But the episode was probably worth it for I think Cappadonna dropping some wisdom at the end: ain't none of us smarter than anyone else here, and if you are smarter, then you should be helping *me*.