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Solomon Radley – Contributor
Well I’m loathe to do this – but the answer to this one comes from the philosophy of aesthetics. When someone asks “What does a work of art mean?” the least problematic answer is “Whatever the artist intended it to mean.” That’s why Duchamp’s ‘Fountain’ isn’t just a urinal, and it’s why John Cage’s ‘4’33”’ is a piece of music, rather than a pretentious four-minute exercise in pointlessness.
It follows that if an artist intends something to be part of a piece of art, it becomes part of that piece of art. What’s more, in some cases you’ll find that the personal lives of a band’s members are part of the art in an even more direct way – for example, The Wonder Years took Soupy’s most personal thoughts and anxieties and made it the subject matter of their last three albums.
If something’s not actually part of an artwork, it shouldn’t really colour your opinion of that art. So if an artist didn’t intend their personal life to be part of the music, you shouldn’t really judge the music by their life ‘off record/stage’.
But that’s the problem – what Ian Watkins allegedly did shouldn’t affect what you think of their songs, but it does. So you can’t help but feel sorry for the rest of Lostprophets now they’ve been forced to call it a day because the charges against him dragged the band’s name through the mud.
I routinely find I enjoy the personalities behind my favourite music as much as the music itself. That’s why I love Fat Mike, Tyler, The Creator and Ke$ha. And why shouldn’t I? Maybe a better definition of the meaning of a piece of art would be “Whatever the listener derives from it”.
To hell with all the complicated philosophical implications – that best-describes the meaning I grasp when listening to music, so I’m sticking with it. It also explains why I can’t listen to ‘Shinobi Vs. Dragon Ninja’ anymore without feeling a shade guilty.
― The term “hitler racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 27 November 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
Solomon Radley, born to write badley
― a moment on the streets, a lifetime in the sheets (DJ Mencap), Friday, 27 November 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
http://www.aux.tv/2015/12/taylor-swift-song-appears-on-spotify-credited-to-lostprophets/
― Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 12 December 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link
Still amazed that any paedophile would use the phrase 'Ifuckkids' to password protect their computer full of child porn. Wonder how long it took GCHQ to crack that one.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:31 AM (2 years ago)
― sarahell, Saturday, 12 December 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link
He's back! http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/paedophile-singer-ian-watkins-twitter-12210876
The "Laim McKenzie, Paisley" tag on the soundcloud page has me less than convinced, though
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link
In Wales for the night and in honour of the occasion can anyone recommend any of the earlier stuff
― virginity simple (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 April 2017 22:58 (seven years ago) link
wasn't it his love of earlier stuff that landed him in jail?
― Odysseus, Saturday, 22 April 2017 23:27 (seven years ago) link
xp - When the band was in its infancy?
― sarahell, Sunday, 23 April 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
Let's not make this about that please.
― virginity simple (darraghmac), Monday, 24 April 2017 07:45 (six years ago) link
Heck of a comeback line, tho.
― Mark G, Monday, 24 April 2017 10:50 (six years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Devotion
― Mark G, Monday, 24 April 2017 11:03 (six years ago) link
I wonder if Owen Smith likes to blast them out in the car.
― calzino, Monday, 24 April 2017 11:18 (six years ago) link
I still don't buy for one second the story that these dudes were in a van with this guy for like 15 years and never once did they consider something was not on the level
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 April 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link
"Great show, guys! Welp, I'm off to the hotel to have a fully legal sexual encounter with an adult woman who is over the age of 18."
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 April 2017 14:04 (six years ago) link
"Let's just borrow your laptop for a sec, what's the login password again?"
― calzino, Monday, 24 April 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link
they travelled separately for a long time so he could do what he wanted.
― Odysseus, Monday, 24 April 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link
Hey Hey, They were not The Monkees.
― Mark G, Monday, 24 April 2017 14:59 (six years ago) link
― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, April 24, 2017 9:04 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
had to check to see if these guys ever played the Warped tour, because I'm pretty sure that's a phrase they make bands practice repeating before playing that now
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:19 (six years ago) link
the age of consent in wales is 9 btw
― ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link
nah jk the welsh reproduce via parthenogenesis iirc
― ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:47 (six years ago) link
meanwhile everyone's favourite welsh sex criminal has just signed for caek's lot again, glory has truly returned to bramall lane
― imago, Monday, 24 April 2017 15:49 (six years ago) link
they call it cywldly gwlnthly or something xp
― a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:50 (six years ago) link
take it to the 'incomprehensible britishisms' thread buddy xp
― ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 April 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link
Are No Devotion still a functioning thing? I heard they had an actual hit in Romania or something, but surely they're still well fucked
― PaulTMA, Monday, 24 April 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
brb gotta head over to the 'posts you has second thoughts about' thread
― ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 April 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link
Lots of references to the regrettable actions of Watkins but i was actually hoping for some solid recommendations here folks
― virginity simple (darraghmac), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:28 (six years ago) link
in what sphere? life in general?
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:31 (six years ago) link
Tbf I don't think we are dealing with Wagner or Micheal Jackson here, he was just simply a pile of shit.
― calzino, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:37 (six years ago) link
Wagner, yeah, remember that guy?
http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/117/photos/453000/620x/57d2a02acc78d_I121128_135908_192504.jpg
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:40 (six years ago) link
well, exactly - beyond criticism is that fellow - oh shit I thought you meant the Town manager there!
― calzino, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 00:42 (six years ago) link
#Wagnerknows
― virginity simple (darraghmac), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 01:17 (six years ago) link
Recommendations?
'Other bands are available'
― Mark G, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 05:54 (six years ago) link
Ultimately, the Lostprophets produced The Betrayed by themselves at the Los Angeles home of the band's bassist, Stuart Richardson, between 2008 and 2009. Over the course of this multi-year recording process, they scrapped a lot of material, ultimately selecting a dozen songs for the 45-minute album. The first half of the album is uniformly excellent, in particular the full-throttle rockers "Dstryr/Dstryr," "It's Not the End of the World, But I Can See It from Here," and "Next Stop, Atro City." Though less invigorating and perhaps too pop-oriented for some fans, the U2-esque "Where We Belong" and the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon" are also first-rate.
― ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 06:30 (six years ago) link
the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"the ska lilt of "For He's a Jolly Good Felon"
― ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 06:31 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrq5hGcAf50&sns=em
― ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 06:44 (six years ago) link
"And so say all of us"
Xpost Timing!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 06:45 (six years ago) link
Born Ian David Karslake Watkins30 July 1977 (age 39)Merthyr Tydfil, WalesOther names L'Amour La Morgue
― ben "bance" bance (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 07:03 (six years ago) link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4599226/Paedophile-19-fantasised-raping-babies-jailed.html
does not say whether this top lad was a lostprophets fan
― sarahell, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 09:24 (six years ago) link
so i guess this is ilx's de facto baby-rape thread now huh
― cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 09:27 (six years ago) link
if you want to start a new baby-rape thread, be my guest
― sarahell, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 09:39 (six years ago) link
i feel like the 'i love people-making board' would at once be the most appropriate and very much least appropriate place to put it
― cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 09:45 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/06/ian-watkins-singer-jailed-for-child-sex-offences-stabbed-in-prison
― omar little, Saturday, 5 August 2023 23:22 (eight months ago) link
the dangerous sex offenders and murderers union had a meeting at the monster mansion and came to the unanimous decision that this guy is bad PR!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 5 August 2023 23:29 (eight months ago) link
this is terrible news its not for other convicts to mete out this sort of rough justice it should be a pool from a lottery of citizens with valid tax clearance certificates and then victims or their chosen representatives after that perhaps students who get top grades in their chosen subjects just throwin out ideas here
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 6 August 2023 17:38 (eight months ago) link
i was very sad to hear about this. the quality of shivving in english prisons is patently not what it once was.
― stirmonster, Sunday, 6 August 2023 18:10 (eight months ago) link
"According to our records, Ian Watkins is possibly single."
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 August 2023 18:20 (eight months ago) link