This is fun:http://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt0092455
I'm surprised that the highest rated s7 episode is "Parallels", the one that started worf/troi and had riker killing another evil riker. "Lower Decks" ftw.
― aaaaablnnn (abanana), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:28 (eight years ago) link
i like pulaski cuz i'd have a bad attitude on that ship too, and because she was in that tos episode where ancient power-hungry aliens possess the crew and spock keeps grinning impishly
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:56 (eight years ago) link
Snrub is that the episode where the one guy keeps insisting on accessing his bank account and Picard is just "lol money"?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link
Yep!
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 18:16 (eight years ago) link
I also liked Pulaski because she was so mean! Fuck having a heart, she was a great contrast to every other human in the series. Also, I think she's the only doctor in the whole franchise (this might've happened in TOS too, I haven't seen it in years?) who actually was gonna use the doctor's prerogative to deem the captain mentally unfit and give him mandatory sick leave. Considering all the reckless stuff Picard did throughout the series, this should've happened more often, but of course Crusher (with her special relationship to Jean-Luc) was never gonna do it. (Her lenience goes to ridiculous extremes in the future scenes of the series finale, though I guess it's kinda mitigated by the fact that they'd been married by then.)
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link
'Time Squared' is one of my favourite TNG episodes, but it's also the least TNG-like because it's so focused on Picard and his reaction to the situation. But that's also what makes it such a great episode.
― Eins zwei PoliSci (snoball), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 21:34 (eight years ago) link
http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200506/tng-152-fento/320x240.jpg
Ray Wise cameo in season 4
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 November 2015 23:44 (eight years ago) link
eh, season 3 ep 4
we've all wanted to at some point:http://www.slapkirk.com/play
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 December 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
Should also note:
Star Trek Beyond
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 December 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link
merry fuckin Xmas btw:https://www.flickr.com/photos/princessparkle/24022375842
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link
I've just finished watching every season of DS9. On reflection seasons 1-4 are really good and it was just commitment that kept me going through 5-7. I nearly gave up when Odo and Kira got it together (bleugh most awkward couple ever) and when the new Dax appeared I nearly stopped watching altogether (cutesy omg I'm a simbient host was nauseating) Also what's the whole Vic Fontaine thing about? Very weird. High five to Gul Dukat, best consistant character in every season, also Garrick, maybe it's a Cardassion thing? Shout out to the Ferenghi, they held the whole thing together. I'm now off to tackle the entire Voyager boxset now, everyone needs a hobby right?
― beingcutesince1980 (captain rosie), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 22:07 (eight years ago) link
All of Voyager? Dear God, why would you want to do that to yourself?
― Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 22:20 (eight years ago) link
I missed only one episode of Voyager in its first six seasons, I would warn off anybody trying to do the same.
― Sofialo Ren (Leee), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 22:25 (eight years ago) link
it's certainly been a long road getting from there to here
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 22:27 (eight years ago) link
there was a canadian sci-fi show called deepwater black on YTV (kids' channel) that starred ezri dax before she was ezri dax (and also starred the first host of video and arcade top 10, a canadian video game playing game show lol) and i had the hugest crush on her so when she was on DS9 i was like whaaaaaaaaaaaat. so i don't remember finding her character annoying due to my obvious bias.
deepwater black looked like a goshdarn eurodance music video
http://i.stack.imgur.com/mgtc9.jpg
― nerd shit (Will M.), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 22:27 (eight years ago) link
I'm a completist I guess. I also don't know what I'm letting myself in for and perhaps I won't manage all of it. Only time will tell.
― beingcutesince1980 (captain rosie), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 22:34 (eight years ago) link
Voyager is an abomination, exceeded in crapulence only by Enterprise
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 22:45 (eight years ago) link
I will always crush on Ezri!
― Sofialo Ren (Leee), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 22:45 (eight years ago) link
I mean...!
― Sofialo Ren (Leee), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 23:01 (eight years ago) link
Voyager, like every Star Trek series from tng on, starts out lame and becomes awesome by a couple of seasons in. You'll enjoy yourself tremendously.
*yes even Enterprise eventually finds its footing IMO
― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 23:02 (eight years ago) link
but... Space Bush
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 23:02 (eight years ago) link
I just can't accept that Bakula's Dubya impression ever became tolerable
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 23:03 (eight years ago) link
When was Voyager ever awesome????
― Sofialo Ren (Leee), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 23:03 (eight years ago) link
It had its moments.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 23:15 (eight years ago) link
http://www.seeing-stars.com/Locations/Voyager/PhaserBattleOutsideObservatory2.jpg
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 23:21 (eight years ago) link
lol
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 23:22 (eight years ago) link
Basically once they get around to digital doctor and 7 of 9 being the center of the show, I enjoy the hell out of it.
Somewhere online an autistic adult commented how much 7 of 9 meant to them when they were younger, how much they identified with the character. Reading that was a huge aha moment for me and made me love that character.
― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 23:22 (eight years ago) link
I gave up on Voyager about four seasons in as it aired originally. Remember it having some really cool 2-parters and one-off concept episodes but the characters were so weak compared to Next Gen and DS9. Caught reruns of the later seasons much later - the show did get better, not enough to give me any regrets though
― Nhex, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 23:29 (eight years ago) link
the episode that made me give up on voyager was "Threshold" from season 2, where they go to warp 10 and turn into lizards. it's the ultimate Braga episode.
― remove butt (abanana), Wednesday, 6 January 2016 23:52 (eight years ago) link
wait, bakula is space dubya? i thought the other guy was space dubya!
― nerd shit (Will M.), Thursday, 7 January 2016 00:13 (eight years ago) link
now he is, thanks to tom cruise, apparently?http://i.imgur.com/Z5PbgPf.png
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 7 January 2016 02:28 (eight years ago) link
On Halloween, I encountered a drag 7 of 9 attending a party in another section of the dim sum place we were eating dinner. It made my night.
― Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Thursday, 7 January 2016 06:37 (eight years ago) link
I thought Nicole de Boer did a fine job as Ezri (and she was also awesome hamming it up as the Mirror Universe Goth Ezri), and the concept of the new host trying to come in terms with the life of the previous host, such as the marriage to Worf, did provide some interesting fodder for good sci-fi stories. The main problem was that she came in way too late... One season wasn't enough to really develop the character and her relations with Jadzia's friends, and the final hookup with Bashir was totally artificial and contrived, it felt like the writers just wanted to tie up romantic loose ends by the finale, even ones that that didn't really need tying up.
But objectively there was nothing wrong with de Boer/Ezri, I think people just hated her because she wasn't Terry Farrell/Jadzia. Which I thought was actually a good choice, because bringing in a carbon copy as a replacement character is a lazy solution TV writers often revert to, so it was much more interesting that Ezri was way different from Jadzia both mentally (nervous and self-doubting instead of cocky and relaxed) and physically (small and cute instead of tall and amazonian).
― Tuomas, Thursday, 7 January 2016 08:27 (eight years ago) link
I've seen this one too, and I think it's usually considered to be the very worst episode in all of Star Trek... With the clip show finale of TNG's second season as a close contender, though that one at least is just lazy instead of actively insulting. Besides Braga's utterly unscientific pet peeve subject of de-evolution, it also pointlessly breaks one of the major rules of ST universe (Warp 10 is a theoretical maximum speed and not really attainable) and ends with an inexplicable loose end: what happened to Janeaway's and Paris's lizard kids? Even though they weren't themselves when the kids were conceived, you'd think they'd have at least some interest in finding them? But apparently not.
"Treshold" is also offensively stupid because it provides the Voyager crew a way to return home that they simply won't use. Okay, going beyond Warp 10 reverts humans to lizards, but the Doctor can cure this, and the Doctor himself obviously isn't affected by this devolution. So why not just go beyond Warp 10, fly the Voyager to Alpha Quadrant, and then have the Doctor cure everyone? Or, if it's too much for one holographic doctor, have him contact Starfleet and tell them how the reverse the devolution process?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 7 January 2016 08:43 (eight years ago) link
Voyager had some great episodes, but I never grew to like any of the characters. Some of the fun sci-fi concept stories were the best - future museum, evolved dinosaurs, guy messing around with timelines, planet moving in fast-forward, and one particularly polarising episode with a sinister clown AI. Love that ep.
But I think the writers could have put more effort into creating new enemies, rather than recycling the Borg to ever-diminishing returns, and could have come up with something better than those shameless Predator rip-offs. A lot of potential in the series was squandered IMO.
I'll echo what Captain Rosie said about DS9 - the recurring characters were the highlight of the show, more so than most of the main cast. The Cardassians, Klingons, Ferangi and even Kai Winn and that smug Vorta. Almost everyone seems to think the show kept getting better as it went along, but I thought seasons 3-5 were the best (much like TNG), and the I remember the last two being pretty disappointing.
― Duane Barry, Thursday, 7 January 2016 10:44 (eight years ago) link
Used to edit a Star Trek mag and once went to lunch w/ Nicole de Boer. Very pleasant company, main thing I remember is that she was looking out for a copy of the Dickies first album for her bf/partner/husband. I directed her to the Music and Video Exchange in Notting Hill.
― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 7 January 2016 10:56 (eight years ago) link
How can I get your job Ward? Imagine hanging out w/Nicole De Boer @ Music and Video Exchange in Notting Hill.
otm
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 January 2016 11:45 (eight years ago) link
What season does this happen in? Because I did try watching Voyager for the first two seasons, hoping it'd get better with time like TNG and DS9 did, but in the end the mediocrity of the plots and the uninteresting characters were too much, I didn't make it to season 3.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 7 January 2016 12:46 (eight years ago) link
Almost everyone seems to think the show kept getting better as it went along, but I thought seasons 3-5 were the best (much like TNG), and the I remember the last two being pretty disappointing.
I don't think anyone really thinks the last two are as good as the middle seasons? The Dominion war arc gets a pretty good closure, but season 6 introduces the stupid supernatural Prophet/Pah-Wraith conflict, and season 7 gives it way more space than it deserves, tying the whole life of Sisko into it, culminating with the awful final battle in the caves that marrs what would otherwise have been a decent series finale. I've never come across any fans who actually like that subplot, I think most people agree this kind of "good vs. evil" fantasy plot has no place in Star Trek.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 7 January 2016 12:53 (eight years ago) link
Happens in later seasons. And indeed, Voyager does get really going in later seasons although the Clown AI is iirc from one of the earlier ones and 'establishes' Janeway in my head.
Besides the Original series Voyager is by far the best one. Didn't care for DS9 and any wars. Next Gen is too much like a re-thread (Data aside). Having the Borg as the main enemy is good enough for me and the whole story arc of trying to wing it and survive in unfamiliar lands drew me in.
Then again I like Odyssey much more than Illiad. xp
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 January 2016 12:55 (eight years ago) link
DS9 and Voyager as Iliad and Odyssey never occurred to me but I like the concept
― ciderpress, Thursday, 7 January 2016 14:09 (eight years ago) link
I keep reading that the last 7-8 episodes of DS9 are the Best Trek Ever - is that exaggeration, then?
That was going to be my motivation for slogging through the lot (once I've finished rewatching TNG).
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 January 2016 16:10 (eight years ago) link
I agree that the prophet/pah-wraith thing was pretty bad for the most part, though I did enjoy the episode where Kira and Jake were possessed! I just felt that DS9 had the potential to become something truly great in the end, but instead it just seemed to fizzle out. Even a lot of the space battle scenes in the final episode were recycled from previous ones in the series!
there's a very strange episode about historical revisionism where the doctor is activated after centuries by a culture that blames voyager for some political atrocity, but it curves back in on itself because there doesn't seem to be any way that this episode could have happened, because the doctor wasn't separated from voyager, and it isn't a parallel timeline or anything weird like that.
I know this is a very late reply, but the future aliens in that episode re-created the Doctor from a back-up programme, which had been stored on Voyager tech which was stolen from them when they interacted with the aliens. So the re-created Doctor would only have memories up to that point.
― Duane Barry, Thursday, 7 January 2016 16:13 (eight years ago) link
xp most all of the major story arc of DS9 is great, which concludes with that sequence but also includes several excellent 2-parters in earlier seasons and a 6-parter in season 6. definitely the most prescient star trek in predicting the modern trend towards heavily serialized television
― ciderpress, Thursday, 7 January 2016 16:29 (eight years ago) link
― Philip Nunez
It's been a long timeBut my time is finally near
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Thursday, 7 January 2016 17:51 (eight years ago) link
7 shows up in I believe season 4. The 7/Doctor focused episodes are easily the best, and usually the only good episodes in a given season, but they always felt like a crutch ("Uh guys, we can't write another space lizards episodes, so let's do 7/Doctor again"), and just about every other episode stunk.
"The Thaw" (AI clown) is genuinely great and creepy though, and some of the Voyager Borg episodes are good too, but there's just so much garbage to wade through.
― Sofialo Ren (Leee), Thursday, 7 January 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link
Yes, total exaggeration.
― Sofialo Ren (Leee), Thursday, 7 January 2016 18:58 (eight years ago) link
It is to me.
― Jeff, Thursday, 7 January 2016 19:35 (eight years ago) link
DS9 season 6 is the best imo, at least up through "In the Pale Moonlight", after that high point you get a bunch of crap like the kira/odo romance and the quark crossdressing episode
― ciderpress, Thursday, 7 January 2016 19:40 (eight years ago) link