Black Sabbath: Classic or Dud?

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I is definitely great. I don't know if they played Computer God at the Radio City show I was at.

Bill Magill, Monday, 6 April 2009 21:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

You've got to be kidding me.

Advantage: Iommi.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

The reaction on dffd and probably all the other boards was "Sharon Is A Cunt"

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

that should infact be a poll

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

poll w/ one option

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

im sure theres x-factor viewers on ILX who like her. but someone do it to find out!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

You're it Herm, i have no idea how to do it.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

you click on where it says new poll

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

Instead of that, I'll just say that the vocals have always been the least important of the idea and ethos of what is "Black Sabbath". In Sabbath, it's:

mountain-moving guitar riffs and sound > thunderous but suprisingly agile rythym section >>>>>>>>> whoever the fuck is singing the lyrics the bassist wrote. Sorry Ozzy, but you now officially suck.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

If as Ozzy alleges Iommi's trying to claim "ownership" of the Sabbath name, why would he be recording and touring as Heaven and Hell?

Plunge Protection Team, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

Iommi bought the name from the others in the '90s, plus he copyrighted it in 2000. Game, set, match. Just cuz he's touring with another name doesnt mean shit, if you're implying he waived his rights.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

Deciblog has a good take:

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

from that
Posted 6/2/2009 2:13 PM by Senile Animal

Sharon Osbourne = Cunt!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

holy shit, that statement by Ozzy. The brand was "literally in the toilet". Is this Kiss, who probably did sell toilets with the Kiss insignia, or Black Sabbath?

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

I doubt Ozzy can even go to the toilet without Sharon's permission/Help.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Somebody please shoot the man. Put him out of his misery.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

I doubt Ozzy can even go to the toilet without Sharon's permission/Help.

Well, actually...

You want reality? Noticeably absent from the show's frequent mocking of Ozzy is any discussion of his bladder problems, which have long been legend in the rock world. The reason Oz continually dumps buckets of water on himself through his concerts is to mask the fact that he's peeing in his pants, according to some who are in the unenviable position to know. A friend of mine who once visited the Osbourne manse reports that Ozzy has a "special bathroom" whose walls are lined with rubber because his aim is so bad. Somehow, MTV's cameras have avoided showing us all that.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:33 (eight years ago) Permalink


pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:40 (eight years ago) Permalink


i'm too hardcore to be bourgeois (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 01:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

As someone who, often as not, can't make it through a feature-length movie without running off to take a whiz at least once, I guess I admire Ozzy's dedication to holding the stage for an entire 2-3 hour show. There's a new TV ad out in which Ozzy pitches some manner of cell phone / mobile device / whatever the fuck you kids call it now in which he uses GPS to navigate his way to the w.c. in his own house which I will never look at the same again as a result.

Handsome Dan, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 07:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

how classic is black sabbath?

i was driving to a gig on the far side of bali with a car full of teenage punk rock roadies, mostly between the ages of 16 and 18. punk rock kids, mind you, not metlaheads (punks not dead in bali) anyway i didn't want to bore them with dance music or hip hop so i threw on "best of black sabbath" hoping they'd dig it... and those fuckers knew every note of the album. not just the guitar solo in paranoid, i mean they were air drumming the fills on snowblind, singing along with symptom of the universe etc. i doubt they'd ever seen the osbournes either. black sabbath is not just classic in america and england but all the way to the far flung reaches of the globe (if not the universe) i mean the group broke up a decade before these kids were even born ffs!

thats how classic black sabbath is.

messiahwannabe, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 10:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

am0n, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 18:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

Love that clip

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 18:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

Always cool to see the moustache-less Iommi

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

he reminds me of greg ginn there. love the shot of geezer going nuts in his flares

am0n, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

Geezer rules

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

I was woken up this morning by the strains of Black Sabbath s/t coming from my house mate's bedroom. Pretty pleasant alarm really.

When I saw them live in '99, I cried. Stoked to see Heaven & Hell with Neurosis supporting in August.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 20:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

they're back! hurray?
After band members (most prominently Ozzy Osbourne) dropped hints of a possible reunion for at least a year, Tony Iommi confirmed that the original lineup of Black Sabbath has gotten back together and is planning an album and tour. Sabbath was last in the studio back in 2001, when work on a Rick Rubin-produced record stalled after Osbourne went to finish work on a solo album. In recent years, Iommi and Osbourne have battled over ownership of the Black Sabbath name, but that case was settled (with undisclosed terms) in 2010. "We're really looking forward to it and I think the stuff we’ve been writing is really good," Iommi said in an interview. "It's all been very hush-hush. Ozzy's been the worst at trying to hold it back. He's doing a lot of TV and he's being asked stuff about a reunion and he's going 'well I never say never'. He told me, 'I don't know what to say'."

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:34 (six years ago) Permalink

has any of those rubin session leaked?

are you ready for a thing called prog? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:37 (six years ago) Permalink

all i could dig up was this:

"scary dreams" from ozzfest 2001, supposed to be a part of those rubin sessions

are you ready for a thing called prog? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:40 (six years ago) Permalink

how many lawyers will it take for this to happen?!

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:56 (six years ago) Permalink

I couldn't believe all the metal sites & blogs assuming all these rumours were fact these last 18 hours or so.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:58 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it seems like fact checking went right out the window with this one but, otoh, its not too difficult to understand why some might choose to run with it given that it supposedly came directly from Iommi's own words.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:59 (six years ago) Permalink


You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 00:25 (six years ago) Permalink

As I say, nobody's giving a definite no, just that one 'reporter' seems to have taken liberties with a 'private' 'conversation' or some such.

Mark G, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 09:47 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Looks like this is definitely on:

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:16 (six years ago) Permalink

Judging by this twitpic on their official Twitter, they are playing the Whiskey today?

Or what?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 11 November 2011 17:41 (six years ago) Permalink

Nevermind, its a reunion press conference being held there, hosted by Rollins.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 11 November 2011 17:42 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah this is on

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 11 November 2011 20:35 (six years ago) Permalink

So, wait, within the last few years did the band ever officially break up? I know they were suing each other, but I think it fishy to call it a reunion when it's really only been, you know, a few years off.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 November 2011 20:59 (six years ago) Permalink

well it's a reunion of the original line-up which hasn't played together since 1978 so I think that it qualifies.

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Saturday, 12 November 2011 01:16 (six years ago) Permalink

That's not true at all! I saw the original line-up a couple of times within the last decade. Unless you mean different than Ozzy, Geezer, Iommi and Ward? Because they've already reunited the hell out of this thing.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:29 (six years ago) Permalink

most interesting thing about that (basically awesome) youtube clip is: new album 2012.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:35 (six years ago) Permalink

(to be released on the rinse FM label, no doubt)

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:36 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, this lineup has been reuniting every few years since 1997 or thereabouts. I saw 'em in 2004 on Ozzfest.

that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:36 (six years ago) Permalink

There is NO way this isn't going to suck balls. I had the displeasure of hearing some live reunion thing they did recently (2xCD - from the early aughts maybe? Dunno) and omg, Ozzy, please, for the love of God, STOP.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:42 (six years ago) Permalink

I wish there was some well recorded live material of the original lineup. I think Past Lives/Live at Last is pretty much it.

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sad to hear this. no good bootlegs?

lute bro (brimstead), Sunday, 24 January 2016 01:32 (one year ago) Permalink

pretty sure tylerw's blog has hosted at least a few really good bootlegs in the past - there's one from the sabbath bloody sabbath era which is killer and i'm almost certain i got it from doom and gloom from the tomb

Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 January 2016 16:08 (one year ago) Permalink

also i think a paranoid-era one from a show in france? also awesome

Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 January 2016 16:10 (one year ago) Permalink

I was wrong upthread...the deluxe editions were issued years ago. listened to the paranoid and MoR unreleased tracks...'solitude' in particular is really great. so quiet. and 'Caravan' is six minutes...extended soloing and vibing at the end.

calstars, Monday, 25 January 2016 16:20 (one year ago) Permalink

It was pretty great, though not as good as Lollapalooza. "After Forever" and "Under The Sun/Every Day Comes And Goes" were surprise deep cuts, but I'd rather have heard "Hole In The Sky," "Symptom of the Universe" or even "Supernaut." It's The End tour but they'll be back in September, if one of them doesn't croak before then (I hope not!).

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 26 January 2016 05:36 (one year ago) Permalink

four months pass...

unrelated: did they ever find Ozzy?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Plenty of tickets available in the $75 range for the PNC Bank Arts Center show in NJ (August 23). Still haven't convinced myself to take the plunge.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 9 June 2016 22:44 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

So these have now all been reissued. It's the 2012 remaster, I understand. Jimmywine: are you sure the outtakes / alternate takes are worth it?

Duke, Friday, 5 August 2016 21:35 (one year ago) Permalink

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