Who's Diggin' J Dilla's "Donuts"?

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― ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

unless you think i say shit like "MCing" & talk about bjork on the regular

xpost shoulda figured youre down w/ the only other dudes in the universe who still get hard-ons from obsessively dissing nerd rap in 2006

― ,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

G.B is dead, son.

― ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

what the fuck ever, it was only funny for like 15 minutes in 2003 anyway

― ,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

They bit me too.

― ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

yo i believe it

we need to fight the real newjack enemy here

― ,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Where is Patrin today ???

― ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha. Oh, 2001...such fond memories of seeing Mike Ladd rock for about 30 dudes in Wisconsin after that record came out.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

patrin aint really a newjack, he was rockin co flow back in his furry days

― ,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to Once Upon A Time in Amercica by Smoothe Da Hustler this AM! Man...Broken Language....still amazing. Also, now I "get" DV Alias Christ...I didn't like him when I bought it back when, he was too ahead of his time.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a version of "still alive" by AZ over the "broken language" beat which is ill.

― ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

somebody's mom musta had a ridiculous case of butterfingers.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:47 (eighteen years ago) link

bbc's tim westwood just reported (via dj premier) on radio that jay dee died this morning. i can't find confimation anywhere tho... hoping its another crossed wire, i know his health's been shaky :(

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Jay Dee (a.k.a. J-Dilla; a.k.a. James Yancey) RIP?

― that's so taylrr (ken taylrr), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

you guys...always diggin. thats why youre so good at liking rap and stuff.

― Sean F (Sean F), Saturday, 11 February 2006 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link

first listen, early thoughts:

1) this sounds like major force west megamixes circa 1990 (see: return of the original artform, "prop master's party))

2) was he listening to lots of theo parrish mixes or something?

3) where are the shuffly drums?

4) did he sequence it like this on purpose? is it supposed to flow?

5) he sampled the beastie boys???? (see #1)

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 11 February 2006 06:54 (eighteen years ago) link

so sad that he passed away...such a shame

― sad, Saturday, 11 February 2006 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm, here i was thinking this thread would be about people raving over how great this album is

and its ILM Rap Wars rerun number 193

what a shame

anyway, great fucking record. the key is he cuts all the songs after a minute. but he think he does some real clever juxtapositions too... check the way People starts out with bongoes and clarion calls (Last Poets) then falls into the abyss (some other sample I don't know)

― bugged out, Saturday, 11 February 2006 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

5) he sampled the beastie boys???? (see #1)

this came as no small surprise, even as someone unfamiliar with his previous work. i've listened to it twice now.

― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 11 February 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

It is eerie that I listened to Donuts yesterday and then today this happens, not a bad album, but nothing id prolly ever listen to again

very sad thing that has happened tho, RIP

― J. Lamphere (WatchMeJumpStart), Saturday, 11 February 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

5) he sampled the beastie boys???? (see #1)

i've got a few old beat cdrs of his and he's always sampled them. the most recent one has some tracks that made it to donuts, the dollar track from the spacek album and supposedly some stuff that's gonna be on q-tip's new one.

the thing with jay dee that i've seen happen over the years is that he sorta see's what's going on in mainstream rap and tries to turn it into his own and one up them. for the q-tip album he went puffy upbeat party rap. for the frank-n-dank album he did synthy neptunes beats (especially on "Take Dem Clothes Off"). and then on donuts he's trying to do a kanye/justblaze/heatmakers soul vocal snippet thing. i think on the beat cd he even has a few sped up vocal samples. i think this is the least jay dee sounding thing i've heard from him. there's hardly any of the non-quantized off beat thump. it completely shows how much he's been hanging out with madlib.

― team jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 11 February 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to some samples of this and was impressed. I don't know if I could take an entire album of it though. I can't help but imagine that the songs being between 30 seconds and 2 minutes is a blessing.

― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 11 February 2006 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude's made so many great tracks, you forget how much until you look at that discography on the stones throw site.

― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 11 February 2006 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Queens Lounge

for some reason I only have that shitty sounding version on here, I'll see if i can find the CD i burned with the LP on it that has better quality.

― deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 12 February 2006 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

haha oops wrong thread.

― deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 12 February 2006 01:39 (eighteen years ago) link

jaxon OTM about kanye/heatmakerz comparisons (esp heatmakerz). on the way home from work i kept thinking about how this sounded like some sort of avalanches vs kanye west tape.

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

by the way, i think this is better than avalanches. it kind of misses the peaks but it's much better in the low points and overall.

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure I follow the Avalanches comparisons, it seems like they're both going in different directions or something; it seems like the much better comparison is madlib. But then I like the Avalanches a lot and while Donuts sounds nice in short bits I really have trouble following the whole thing. Beautiful moments just seem to even out when they follow each other so quickly and incompletely.
I think I just like Jay Dee's rap beats better.

― deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:33 (eighteen years ago) link

avalanches comparison = 1 minute loops of soul/funk/old school samples arranged into a 1 hour mix.

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I mean it seems logical but they sound so entirely different; its like two artists using the same instruments but one makes funk and the other, I donno, salsa or something. Because the Avalanches has this forward momentum, this sense that you are listening to a 'dance set' where it picks up speed and *goes* somewhere. But Dilla sounds like he's enjoying the moment, I guess? Less dance-oriented, certainly. I'm going to have to think about this more to express what I mean effectively. I enjoy both of these, but Dilla's album is like idea, new idea, new idea, etc. and the Avalanches had some sort of flow and a better sense of uniting ideas into songs.

― deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Avalanches was a collection of moments united into songs, Dilla is just the moments with no effort to contextualize. Does that make sense?

― deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

yes i recognize the distinction. on a formal level, i think the sound is very similar (esp in the stretch from tracks 15-25 on jay dee's cd), but i agree that mood and vibe-wise it's very different.

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 12 February 2006 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

should i listen to the avalanches?

― team jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, 12 February 2006 06:17 (eighteen years ago) link

also, vahid, do you have any of these major force mixtapes you were comparing the album to upthread? i'd love to hear one. what are they like?

― team jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, 12 February 2006 06:18 (eighteen years ago) link

how did he die? that's sad...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 12 February 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

three different causes are being reported: kidney failure, liver failure, and some bone marrow condition...I'm not sure which is correct

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Sunday, 12 February 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

He had his heart broken by this thread, and just faded away.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

RIP Dilla! u the man

one of the best producers in the game - these guys dont know what there on about. Cant wait for your other stuff to be released that you were workin on before u passed!!

if u guys dont respect dilla as a producer im sorry u dnt know what ure talkin bout!

― Miniface, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

is that the first time a googler has directly addressed the subject of a thread that was deceased?

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

is this the first time youve aloofly commented on ilm?

― ,,, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

if anyone's interested, i uploaded two cdr beat tapes that were passed around for a while. they're like 50 tracks each of sketches. some of the tracks from 2004 ended up on Jay Lib, some from 2005 ended up on Donuts & the new spacek. they show how incredibly experimental he was. so many commonly used samples (dee lite, was a dog a donut) that he flips so hard they're almost unrecognizable.

http://rapidshare.de/files/13365085/Beat_CD_2004.zip.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/13365373/Beat_CD_2005.zip.html

― team jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

also, i listened to donuts this morning on the way to work and it sounds like a hip hop version of Akufen

― team jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks a lot – 2005 is great.

― Orange (Orange), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Finally listening to Donuts and it's just a joy. Everyone who walks by asks for a copy.

Jax, if you'd like to pass along those Beat CD's, I'd be mighty appreciative.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I was listening to this album over and over again last month

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Only a small handful of mediocre tracks

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

track #1, track #17 are standouts.

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

czech yr email, duder

― jäxøñ (jaxon), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

WORKINONIT is the song of the year! People shoud buy this album and support Dilla's kids! He was a visionary for sure!

― Antonio Depietro, Monday, 15 May 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

ONLY ONE CAN WIN!

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Monday, 15 May 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

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