Ok . MORE Arthur Russell (But This Is Great)

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More thanks for both tracks. Was into Arthur Russell and Sleeping Bag records way back in the day and it's great to hear it again.

drewo (drewo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

So is Russell's "disco" stuff generally preferred to his avant cello, cello+vocals, avant-casio-pop, or other incarnations? I came into him via 'Another Thought' of all places, which is generally similar to 'World of Echo' with a few that fall between the Sleeping Bag and 'Calling Out of Context' sounds. 'World of Echo' is easily amongst my top 5 records all time, out of thousands.

I love it all, really, and it's one of the things that amazes me--he could be considered a genius in numerous (seemingly wholly) disparate scenes/genres. Everything he did seems to have been gold--he even makes the otherwise mediocre rock/pop of the Necessaries shimmer when his keys/voice touch in.

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i think his straight in disco stuff is inferior to the rest of his work....but there's that overlap between the disco and avante stuff where he pretty much shines.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm really glad Audika has had so much success. The label owner seems like a great guy--he even forwarded a modest little review I did of 'World of Echo' upon its reissue (which I never dared hope for in years prior) to Arthur's family, and then told me that it had touched them. Bring on the instrumentals cello works!

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I was pretty floored when AR's dad wrote me last year to request an old Melody Maker interview I had found (I posted about it on some thread here). He must read ILM or know someone who does!

(xpost) Susan, what would you could consider his "straight in disco stuff"?

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Huh. I heard the World of Echo and other dreamy dub cello stuff first and thought it was great. Then I heard Kiss Me Again, Is It All Over My Face, and Tell You (Today) and really nothing tops those for me. I still need to hear the 24 24 Music album though.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 18 August 2005 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Jacobs, thanks for Tiger Stripes! Been wanting to hear it again since I heard it played out at one of Messr. Selzer's parties.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i was thinking "pop your funk" "go bang", and somewhat 'is it all over my face" (which is still a pretty great track)... although those first 2 i believe there were other contributors??

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 18 August 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, Go Bang. I knew I was forgetting one there.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

at the risk of repeating myself...but what about the full length version of Kiss Me Again! It just got bootlegged on vinyl, I think, and has appeared on I think at least 2 recent mix CDs, perhaps in response to the fact that it's been so lost, appearing on neither Disco Not Disco or the World of Arthur Russell. It's really drastically different then the 6 minute edit version on Disco Not Disco. They are both wonderful though.

Also, the version of Go Bang most people know is the Francois K mix, which is a bit more sane then the original version of 24-24 Music.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link

How can one find this 24-24 music is it a full LP, has it seen a CD release. And who is Peter Zummo?

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:04 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a full LP and has only been bootlegged on vinyl, far as I know, though maybe there's been bootleg CDs.

Peter Zummo can be read about here:

http://www.scaruffi.com/avant/zummo.html

he was a downtown guy hanging out with a bunch of the minimalist types. Interesting to see that Russell appears on his Experimenting with Household Chemicals LP as well, you gonna post that one as well, stirmonster?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank you for the information about Zummo. There seems to be a market for a lot of this sort of music, perhaps a small one, but enough people want this sort of music I am surprized reissues take so long in coming.

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't really "get" the whole arthur russell thing until a few months ago, when I was walking home late one night and listening to the optimo psyche-out mix, and the version of "kiss me again" that dan's referring to came on. it was a revelatory moment.

spruce bruce (haitch), Friday, 19 August 2005 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Speaking of, what do y'all think of Polmo Polpo's cover of Kiss Me Again?

http://www.discogs.com/release/397676

gnippiks, Friday, 19 August 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

"Tiger Stripes" is...wow!! thk U very much. afraid to listen to zummo track or polp's cover yet. tiger stripes made me think again (sorry) about those talking heads guitars. what is up with that? -i want to know finally. is there a common denom. to both a.r. and byrne's sound...someone else? someone preceding them i don't know about? or is one stealing from the other? not sure why i care...maybe b/c it fits so well with what ar was doing and i REALLY like his stuff but barely have liked t.h.'s stuff. ---- except a few tracks which feature these bouncy keyboard sounding guitars.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:10 (eighteen years ago) link

the bside to tiger stripes i can't hold you is great too...will dig out and post

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 19 August 2005 05:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I only have the A side for tiger stripes, I would love to have the flip side. About the Talking Heads, I believe Arthur Russell was on the verge of joinning the band at one point, and David Byrne Did play guitar on Arthur's muisc. Exactly which song I've forgotten. For years I have felt like I should like talking head, and have listened repeatedly to most of their albums with no luck. I just can't seem to like their music. I admire David's promotion of different gobal music, and have like his brazilian classic comp. If someone could explain their music to me maybe....

Jacobs (LolVStein), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:18 (eighteen years ago) link

You get it or you don't, simple as that. Why worry if you can't get into it? Having said that, Byrne's on fire on "Kiss Me Again".

willem (willem), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:25 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks twitch, that's *amazing*.

toby (tsg20), Friday, 19 August 2005 06:25 (eighteen years ago) link

the freak out guitar on 'kiss me again' is as willem points, out david byrne on fire!

dan, i've only got 'experimenting with household chemicals' on cd which means i have no idea where it is. must have a look for it. talking of cds, your cd just arrived in the post! can't wait to check it out.

here's one more. it's arthur performing on peter gordon's 1986, 'innocent' lp.

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=23AQAHOZ6SXFK07JU6VEBFE49I

stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 19 August 2005 08:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Zummo with an X appears to be still available on vinyl.

http://www.frogpeak.org/fpartists/fpzummo.html

jed_ (jed), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan, where is the boot of "Kiss Me Again" floating around at? i picked up the "go bang" one.
Steve Audika told me that the freak-out at the end of that longer "Kiss Me" jam is David Byrne and Henry Flynt! which i almost still don't believe, mostly as i don't hear Flynt.
Susan, i love AR but still don't dig T-Heads, so no worries. i do think the roots of that guitar sound are in highlife and ju-ju, the music of King Sunny Ade.

b8a, Friday, 19 August 2005 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I am surprized reissues take so long in coming

It's HARD!

I can't remember where I saw the boot, maybe flexx.be? Henry Flynt? That's crazy, didn't know that.

I like the Talking Heads and Russell fans should check out I Zimbra and David Byrne's vocal appearance on Robert Fripp's disco song Under Heavy Manners.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

About that guitar sound -- the ju-ju and highlife connections are possible but to me it sounds like a downtown-y (i.e. raw and angular a la Arto Lindsay, et.al) style of disco rhythm guitar playing. Am I stating the obvious? This kind of playing has just always sounded New York to me.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

yo black dice

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link

here's one more. it's arthur performing on peter gordon's 1986, 'innocent' lp.

Wow, thanks for "That Hat" Stirmonster! Another blast from my past (*sigh* - my in-storage vinyl collection awaits a larger NYC apartment for accomodation). I don't know if Peter Gordon/Love of Life Orchestra has previously been discussed in another thread, but folks who like AR and the Downtown scene would probably dig LOLO. And (drummer) David Van Tiegham's recordings from that time as well.

drewo (drewo), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

The first Love Of Life Orchestra record is the one I really love, disco, horns, art-rock, and Arto and Byrne playing guitar.

Does Black Dice sound like Arthu Russell?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah Jacobs, i also have felt the "need" to understand the TH thing too -not so much b/c i need to like them, but i can't figure out WHY i don't like them. it feels like their music has this obvious 2 layer thing - its split between pop art and something greater underneath (serious and lovely music)-- and you can kinda enjoy both parts separately which fucking annoys me. whereas i think arthur russell's whole deal was he did it all at once - it seems like a totally different approach. but i do love elements of byrne-didn't know he was actually playing with arthur - cool.

"to me it sounds like a downtown-y (i.e. raw and angular a la Arto Lindsay, et.al) style of disco rhythm guitar playing. Am I stating the obvious?" - i was kinda embarrassed to ask b/c i figured this might be the case, but since i don't know much about the sound at that time...well...i'll stop wondering about it now.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

think jeff is ref. the 'high(4)life' git sound of bjorn?

b8a, Friday, 19 August 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

ja

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Friday, 19 August 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i really like the vibe of the music but i can't get over his voice. it's so damned soft. am i the only one?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost - "i do think the roots of that guitar sound are in highlife and ju-ju, the music of King Sunny Ade" -i missed this part even though it was referred in other post -argh(i'm at work so i tend to skim haphazardly) anyway, i'll check this out, thx.

i tend to like the voice unilaterally.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 19 August 2005 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Polmo Polpo's cover of Kiss Me Again is great. Does anyone here need it? I'll YSI if so.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yes pls!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I think his voice is a nice cross between Robert Wyatt and Kermit.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link


Hahaha!

I think I'm going to type out that big Melody Maker aricle/interview from '87 and post it here, unless someone wants to host it as a text file. Was just re-reading it and it's pretty fascinating. I'm sure all the AR fans here will enjoy it.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, do (to the MM article, not so much the Polmo Polpo).

Beta (abeta), Friday, 19 August 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

and i finally found a nice contribution to the cause...

the seven inch version of "Pop Your Funk" that Toop described as "one of the craziest 45s ever released."

http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3KX9677I8XUS2208RH5AL7648G

Beta (abeta), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

am i the only one?

No, I find it too fey.

I was especially bummed when I found out how pervy he was, but only for the disparity between the voice and the sex drive.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

if you're looking for a strict correlation between vox and sex drive you are bound to be confounded.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, i'm amazed at how different the 7" version of "PYF" is from the 'world of arthur russell' version.

rajeev (rajeev), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

if you're looking for a strict correlation between vox and sex drive you are bound to be confounded.

Hmmm, you're right, but singing like a tortured poet and living like a dog in heat seem like polar opposites in sentimentality to me.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

sung playfully, not tortured:

Show me what the girl does to the boy
If you can get around to it.
Show me what the girl does.

Show me what the girl does to the boy
If you can get around to it.

Show me what d-do you most enjoy
If you can get around to it.

Learnin' more about you...
I hope it's never ever finished!
What it's like when I am
Your new toy,
If you can get around to it.

I get excited.
You get excited.
Why should you fight it?

Sex with you—
Bein' right next you—
Won't do it.
Bein' right next to you—
The two of us—
Won't do it.
Bein' so kind to me.

willem (willem), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

organic music indeed!! thanks twitch! (and everyone else. i just haven't heard the rest of the ysi'ed tracks yet)

tricky (disco stu), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

sung playfully, not tortured:

what song is this?

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 19 August 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

this is sublime. it's like the instruments are disintegrating and reforming, morphing into something else, human voices almost. it's nearly synaesthetic and i rarely get that nuance from music.

tricky (disco stu), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

@ confounded: forgot to type the title - it's "Get Around To It". can be found on Calling Out of Context.

willem (willem), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

you know I never really listened to the World of Arthur Russell and now I realize, the version of Let's Go Swimming is not my favorite. The version that is on Disco Not Disco 2, that I also have on (cough)my copy of the 12" kicks much ass and if anyone has Disco Not Disco 2 on CD, they should YSI right away for those out there who only have World of...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

judging by the length of the track, you're talking about Walter Gibbons' Coastal Dub. (the only one of the 12" dubs I don't have :-()

willem (willem), Friday, 19 August 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link


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