Is Elvis Presleys in the ghetto the whitest song ever ?

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Obviously there are the horses to reckon with, too.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:34 (twenty years ago) link

it actually reminds me of "tally's corner" or one of the other great society-era classix i read in sociology 101.

elvis presley: "major contributors to youth delinquency" b/w "the theatrical metaphor: form and function"

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:35 (twenty years ago) link

all we need is trife and another amateurist post to derail this lil thread completely.
-- oops (don'temailmebitc...) (webmail), June 30th, 2003 11:38 PM

Just call me the White Moses

― oops (Oops), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:38 (twenty years ago) link

btw matos chill you ilm thread rockist, all with that 'read the subject line' yo WHATEVER!!

― trife (simon_tr), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:38 (twenty years ago) link

mammy how i love ya how i love ya.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:40 (twenty years ago) link

in nu ilm speak 'derail' means to turn a thread from braindead endless lists to a horrible music-killing, ugh, DISCUSSION

― trife (simon_tr), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:45 (twenty years ago) link

well fine, keep on talking to yourself and convincing yourself everyone disagrees with your stance.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:47 (twenty years ago) link

like, why don't you start your own threads where you can spew your sanctimonious BS?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:48 (twenty years ago) link

in trife speak 'braindead' = 'anyone not talking about ME', and 'discussion' = 'let's talk about ME'

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:49 (twenty years ago) link

dumbed down Momus

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:50 (twenty years ago) link

you know, after all of the fuss and fury in this thread, i still can't figure out (a) how EP's "in the ghetto" is a "white" song (much less his "whitest" song); or (b) by what criteria anyone judges the "whiteness" of any given song.

and isn't this sort of a creeping-rockist question anyway?

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:51 (twenty years ago) link

how EP's "in the ghetto" is a "white" song

Odd thing is that at this point for a few seconds I thought you were referring to Trife's real initials there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:53 (twenty years ago) link

now that would be quite something

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:54 (twenty years ago) link

yeah blount, so!?!!

― trife (simon_tr), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:57 (twenty years ago) link

the closest that i can figure out about "in the ghetto" being "white" is what amateurist mentioned upthread -- lyrically, it's rather late 60s/early 70s michael stivic/meathead-style liberal-sociologist. musically, i don't get the "whiteness" angle at all -- it sounds like typical late 60s elvis-in-the-studio, which itself sounds like late 60s studio-pop. which is, i guess, "white" in that it doesn't sound like motown or isaac hayes or stax-volt, if that's what one means by "black" music that would contemporaneous w/ "in the ghetto."

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:58 (twenty years ago) link

ok honestly i dont get ilm anymore like ever, ok i made an observation, like a simple character study kinda and not about anybody on this thread!! and suddenly everyone gets all pissy moaning and groaning about shit, oh there goes trife again, what an asshole etc etc cmon the race card had been played and shuffled back into the deck like six times in this damn thread already before i even thought about posting

― trife (simon_tr), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:01 (twenty years ago) link

here's your first post:
yeah for real theres a certain kind of nerd ass white pride poppin up now in the 20-something musically-geirish anime geek contingent nowadays, theyre SO proudly uncool theyre allowed to whine about disctinctive whiteness (good job, clean neighbourhood, economically secure)and use comedic hiphop slang (learned from dave chappelle and the mp3 of the 'gangsta' delta commercial) 'safely', its not racist cuz WE'RE THE UNCOOL ONES etc etc shut the fuck up you unfunny racist custos motherfuckers
-- trife

― oops (Oops), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:03 (twenty years ago) link

"in the ghetto" could easily be an isaac hayes record

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:03 (twenty years ago) link

i didn't mean to post that

― oops (Oops), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:07 (twenty years ago) link

i remember back when u.s. "lad" was just starting which i guess was "mook" and it was cute at first and sorta a breath of fresh air and maura i thought was a bit sky-is-falling about it but now i look around and the gate cracked a little and gender shit has been thrown back DECADES in america and the self-conscious "yeah i'm a guy and i like sexy girls, okay?" thing turned all smug and ugly.

so heed trife on this -- the "unhip" whiteness is a way of deepening the race divide. it never ceases to astound me how many ppl. are really that unconsciously fearful of cultural integration.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 30 June 2003 07:58 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, good point. Trife doesn't use very effective methods though, does he... anyway, Anthony please come back and explain.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 30 June 2003 08:06 (twenty years ago) link

buddha sack to thread

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 08:14 (twenty years ago) link

sterl - I don't think people have any issues with heeding trife's 'argument' (they might have issues with him though); as was noted before he even posted 'haha us whiteys are lame = lame lame lame' was noted, tabled. perhaps momus can come here and defend 'exoticising/dehumanising non-whites as progressiveness thru transgressiveness' and I'm sure everyone we'll find it very interesting for the x millionth time, with the bonus attraction of momus and trife reducing politics to rhetorical flourish, but until then trife's "you can't handle the truth" act here is about as pointless as bursting in on a thread about water slides, pointing out water's wet, and then pouting if the thread doesn't immediately become about how water's wet (or, more accurately, how trife pointed out water's wet).

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 08:30 (twenty years ago) link

Trife hates "Delta Ebonics" thus he = fool.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 30 June 2003 10:12 (twenty years ago) link

shut the fuck up you unfunny racist custos motherfuckers
Wow...I am now officially an adjective.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 30 June 2003 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

...a dumbed down version of the kkk...
Huh? Since when has there ever been a "smart" version of the KKK?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 30 June 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

whiteness? no such thing.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:15 (twenty years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1890761060.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:22 (twenty years ago) link

you made that up

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

Duh the whitest song ever is obviously Wu-Tang Clan's "Shame On a Nigga", psh easy peasy!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

"Cleaning Out My Closet" Eminem

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

No, that's whiniest song ever.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

whiny=whitey

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

whiney + whitey =
http://www.click2music.se/images_denmark/whitney/galleri/03.jpg

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

I love threads like this!

― Dan I., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 03:34 (twenty years ago) link

Um just cos the subject matter of the thread happens to coincide with trife's hobbyhorse doesn't make him wrong, no?

I spy a kernel of truth among the bombast...

― Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 06:57 (twenty years ago) link

if "whitest" = "one of the best songs ever", then yeah. search its use in the KLF's Chill Out.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 08:20 (twenty years ago) link

kernel of truth:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/x/gxo1/klink.1.jpg

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 09:34 (twenty years ago) link

kernel mustard

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 10:48 (twenty years ago) link

Um just cos the subject matter of the thread happens to coincide with trife's hobbyhorse doesn't make him wrong, no?
Considering that his hobbyhorse seems to be that everyone on ILM is secretly a Ku Klux Klan member, no, this thread doesn't make him right.
Only a thread called
WHO IN THIS BITCH IS SECRETLY A MEMBER OF THE KLAN? (Unanswered, posted at 5:12pm, unread)
would come close to vindicating him...and then only if everyone on the forum posted "Yep, I am and proud of it."

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

Right, Custos, clearly the only form of racism, bigotry, or prejudice in this country is full-on Klan membership.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:39 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, that was snippy, but I'll say the same thing I said on the Strom Thurmond said: it's silly and dangerous to pretend that "racism" is limited to an active loathing of a given people. Loads of people can carry loads of racial preconceptions and love everyone else just fine: after all, some of their best friends are black! American racism in 2003 for the most part has less to do with virulent animosity and more to do with largely indifferent preconceptions and ideas about people's proper places.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

nabisco, trife (as far I can tell) thinks we are all racist bigot Klansmen, and our insistence that we are not just fuels his belief that we are.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

Whats even worse than that is this:
shut the fuck up you unfunny racist custos motherfuckers
What are we to make of that?
How he puts an insult like "racist" right next to a compliment like "custos"; boggles my mind where he's going with that one.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

oh well lets all play along, it'll be fun...

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:47 (twenty years ago) link

Lets not and pretend we did.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:48 (twenty years ago) link

Custos, I can't tell if you're having reading-comprehension difficulties with what Trife says or what I said. There are massive differences between mainstream racism or bigotry and the ideologies of the Klan -- as if that should even have to be explained -- and Trife, so far as I know, has never accused anyone here of the latter. He's accused people of holding racial double-standards, for the most part.

For comparison see "sexism" as opposed to "misogyny." (Trife makes accusations of racism, not "misafropy!") (Someone call Ludacris!)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

Custos, I can't tell if you're having reading-comprehension difficulties with what Trife says or what I said.
I understand what you are saying...you and I can see the subtle gradations (between "racism" and "bigotry"). WE can see that. I suspect that trife cannot.
He's the first to jump to completely the wrong conclusion about what someone means when they say something that could have more than one meaning.
I still don't grasp where trife is coming from, though.
The level of malice he exudes is both frightening and baffling.

that said:
Misafropy! Hahahahahaha! Excellent word. I'm adding it to the memory banks now.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

never mind. this isn't helping anybody. lets get back to talking about elvis.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck D to thread.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

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