Nobody has yet mentioned the Yardbirds hidden strength, Graham Gouldman! What a brilliant songwriter.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link
I *still* haven't picked up Cumular Limit or that Sundazed live thing. thread revival serves as a good reminded that i need that stuff.
when I get back from the bar I can ysi that Page live album.
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link
Is _Cumular Limit_ still out there? IIRC it was a grey-area release to begin with. . .
― Jeff Wright (JeffW1858), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link
The other great post-Beck tracks are "Puzzles," the B-side of "Little Games," and "Think About It," a classic sounding Yardbirds track with a total fucking proto-"Communication Breakdown" guitar solo. It was the B-side of their last single. I agree, of course, that Beck-era Yardbirds had more good material, but Page was a more radical player. Total ferocity - sounding like he's about to rip the string off the guitar.
"what did the Pretty Things invent?"
They invented the style of music on which the Dutch Outsiders based practically their whole sound on and which was hugely influential.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 04:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link
but yeah, "Think About It" = "Dazed and Confused" solo .. also, Aerosmith covered "Think About It" on the pretty putrid NIght In the Ruts lp!
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 05:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― musically (musically), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 06:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 06:20 (eighteen years ago) link
Ah, I see. I knew I was missing some bit of context somewhere.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 06:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Well, For Your Love if you count that as an album.
BTW this DVD is worth watching for Yardbirds fans.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 06:37 (eighteen years ago) link
Don't forget Top Topham! Only joking..
Tim OTM re: Puzzles and Think about it. Not much to add to the debate that hasn't been said really - Beck and Page eras both fantastic. I'd say that Beck edges it for the magnificence of the BIG singles - 'Shapes..' and 'Heart Full Of Soul', although some of the blues workouts were a bit dull. I think the reason that the likes of the Yardbirds pretty much disappeared into the ether after the 60's was a combination of factors : a) no canonical album b) reputation of band itself overshadowed by the status of Page/Beck/Clapham c) uncharismatic Relf/Dreja/McCarty d)the big hits were pretty primitive sounding to fit into 70's radio playlists, so got forgotten about. The Stones, even though equally primitive sounding, were allowed in because they were the Stones.
Much of this applies to the Pretty Things too. Personally I rate them a bit higher than the Yardbirds, and 'Talkin About The Good Times'/'Walking Thru My Dreams' is THE BEST pop-psych single of the 60's from either side of the pond. 'Defecting Grey'/'Mr. Evasion' is nearly as good. The early stuff is totally punk and Midnight To Six Man a quite brilliant mod-pop development of that early snot. Great band.
― Dr.C, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― turboalbino (haitch), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link
Weird. I think Mr. Evasion > Defecting Grey > Talkin' > Walking but Happenings 10 Years Time Ago, Mr. You're A Better Man Than I, and other Yardbirds tunes trump them all.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link
I love the way Phil sneers that "day"
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link
No, I was genuinely confused! I've never heard the Outsiders and I thought "But the Pretty Things invented it." was a comment on the Yardbirds.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Are you people just forgetting about it? (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jeff Wright (JeffW1858), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
From the Wikipedia Yardbirds page:
Unfortunately, the Beck-Page lineup recorded little else in the studio, and no live recordings (save a scratchy cover of the Velvet Underground's "Waiting for the Man") of the dual-lead guitar lineup have surfaced.
I'd be pretty interested in hearing that - is it readily available anywhere?
― Frank Sumatra (NickB), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link
IIRC, it's on one of the "Afterhours" bootleg tapes.
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Afterhours: legendary Velvet Underground bootleg tape series.
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link
This is a pretty horrible recording, but cool to hear nonetheless ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Now that just kills. It also should be said that McCarty is pretty underrated drummer. Great no-frills stuff.
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Thanks for the info and thanks for posting the song. Cool stuff! Makes them sound like the MC5.
― Frank Sumatra (NickB), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link
I love the Yardbirds but when they crap out they really go all out. "Pafff...BUM that's a sound called LUUUV!"
― Brio, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
damn that velvets cover rocks
― crackers is biters (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link
i think there's some story about the Velvets and the Yardbirds playing on the same bill ... Jeff Beck carrying a gun around or something ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Are we sure that's really the Yardbirds? This seems too good to be true.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Definitely sounds like the Yardbirds right at the end of the song, wouldn't have known otherwise.
Did a search and turned up this bootleg:
(Shrine Exposition Hall, Los Angeles, CA, USA, 31/05/68)
1. The Train Kept A Rollin'2. Mr. You're A Better Man Than I3. Heart Full Of Soul4. Dazed And Confused5. Shapes Of Things6. I'm A Man7. Smokestack Lightning8. Beck's Bolero9. I'm Waiting For The Man -Bye Bye Bird -Happenings Ten Years Time Ago -Drinking Muddy Water -New York City Blues10. I Wish You Would11. Hey Gyp
The Yardbirds Featuring Jimmy Page Live At The Shrine - Another show featuring Jimmy Page with The Yardbirds. This show, a bit more complete has an over exuberant taper in spots however, the sound quality get's pretty good in places. Another nice document of Jimmy Page
― Frank Sumatra (NickB), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, dunno if these links will still work, but that show is over here: http://musictravellerstwo.blogspot.com/2008/12/yardbirds-with-jimmy-page.html
― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 22:41 (fifteen years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kTObUFWzaKA/ST_5z5hQo4I/AAAAAAAABs4/w5fcygnxfsc/s1600-h/Fillmore+Poster.jpg
^ I'm liking the look of that gig.
― Frank Sumatra (NickB), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Oops, no picture. The one with Cecil Taylor and It's A Beautiful Day anyhow.
Bumping this for Tom D. The idea of that Velvets is still amazing me. Know anything about it?
― Frank Sumatra (NickB), Thursday, 5 February 2009 10:31 (fifteen years ago) link
oops, should read 'that Velvets cover'
― Frank Sumatra (NickB), Thursday, 5 February 2009 10:32 (fifteen years ago) link
They might have played with them!
― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 February 2009 10:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, Page something of an aficionado of US underground music, yes?
― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 February 2009 10:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I guess he was. Wasn't he a big Spirit fan or something?
― Frank Sumatra (NickB), Thursday, 5 February 2009 10:40 (fifteen years ago) link
And Kaleidoscope, and Buffalo Springfield et al
― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 February 2009 10:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Not to go all off-topic, but: "Psycho Daisies"!
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 5 February 2009 11:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Kinda like that engineer album. Not too keen on the early blues stuff.
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 5 February 2009 12:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, Roger the Engineer is great. And Psycho Daisies too! B-side of Happenings Ten Years Time Ago, what an amazing single.
― Frank Sumatra (NickB), Thursday, 5 February 2009 12:57 (fifteen years ago) link