p.s. 'for your love'+'bus stop'=gouldman.
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Monday, 17 February 2003 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 17 February 2003 23:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Dud: 'Wings at the Speed of Sound', 'Flaming Pie', 'Driving Rain' (a little better than 'FP'), 'Press to Play' (interesting yet not successful experimentation from Macca in 1986...) & 'Back to the Egg' (consistently average, only 'Old Siam Sir' makes any real impression).
Many albums of his i'm mixed about... yet, overall 'Classic', I maybe go towards this strongly as the general consensus is so unfairly a 'dud' opinion. You have to look deep into his work, and will find much that is good...
― Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 20 February 2003 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link
― mike a (mike a), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:17 (sixteen years ago) link
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― Ally C (Ally C), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Too late, it was in the issue with Santana on the cover.
― dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link
If one's scratching one's head about how badly Paul's solo cheese wears on the nerves, try the following experiment: program disc one of the white album to only play Paul's tracks. Starts off okay but the unrelenting 'Ob-la-di' to 'Martha My Dear' to 'Blackbird', by the time it gets to 'Rocky Racoon' you'll be clawing your face off.
― Jon Leidecker, Thursday, 27 February 2003 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 28 February 2003 11:20 (sixteen years ago) link
It should be mentioned that it's the MCCARTNEY II version that should be considered "classic." The live version, which Columbia released as a single in the US, pales in comparison (though there's a very strange meteor-shower synth break toward the end).
Am I the only person who thinks BACK TO THE EGG is almost the equal of BAND ON THE RUN/VENUS & MARS? Probably.
― mike a (mike a), Friday, 28 February 2003 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link
― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Sunday, 9 March 2003 02:13 (sixteen years ago) link
― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Most obvious cases of search:"Tug Of War", "Flowers In The Dirt", "Band On The Run", "Venus And Mars"
Destroy:"Wild Life", "McCartney II", "Press To Play", "Wings At The Speed Of Sound", "Pipes Of Peace".
Other than the disastrous "Wild Life", even the worst albums contain at least one or two great tracks each though.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:22 (sixteen years ago) link
The production on that album is definitely classy, but the songs are just too weak for it to avoid the dustbin. "Tug Of War" has the same marvellous production, and contains almost exclusively great songs. (Yes, even "Ebony & Ivory" isn't that bad, really)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link
"Waterfalls" is the only really good song on that album. "Coming Up" is a dud IMO. Just because John Lennon liked it doesn't automatically mean it was good (in fact, most of Lennon's solo work sucked anyway)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:27 (sixteen years ago) link
'Flowers in the Dirt' has a far worse production than 'Pipes of Peace'; it really lacks focus and sympathy for the songs. There is some fine material on there, but much of it is middling.
Do *not* destroy 'McCartney II'... it's a revelation frankly! Such a massive step up from 'Back to the Egg' and more cohesive and compelling I believe than 'McCartney' (though 'Junk' & 'Every Night' are sublime). It is McCartney very interestingly going down the route of electronic music; which sadly he didn't continue so much on his next two (nevertheless good) albums. 'Summer's Day Song' is among McCartney's most beautiful, as is 'Waterfalls'... 'Frozen Jap' and 'Front Parlour' see a Kraftwerk-type influence beautifully used to make jaunty, expressively melancholic electronic pieces. 'Dark Room' is oddball in a great manner... 'One of these Days' is a masterful close to the album.
'Press To Play' possibly does... but it is mis-produced and really inadequate in its music and songwriting (will have to give it another chance, mind).I fully agree on 'Wings at the Speed of Sound'; apart from 'Silly Love Songs' (a badly produced and sounding recording of it) and the towering pop of 'Le 'Em In', it is a seriously mediocre record and the one with the most detrimental influence of the other Wings members.'Ram', 'Band on the Run', 'Red Rose Speedway' and 'Venus and Mars' are unreservedly recommended as an fine early quartet of albums.
― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Wouldn't call any of them awful. Although they are clearly tracks that seem like partly failed attempts to copy his duet partner's musical styles.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I love the production on that one too. But, then again, I enjoy most of what Mitchell Froom and Trevor Horn/Stephen Lipson have ever done sonically.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link
― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link
The hits are mainly produced by Mitchell Froom (Crowded House, Suzanne Vega, early 90s Elvis Costello). But Trevor Horn produced "How Many People" and "Figure Of Eight"
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link
― Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
i have heard neither, and know very little about mccartney solo. what are these songs like?
― gareth (gareth), Monday, 24 March 2003 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link
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― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 24 March 2003 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link
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― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 24 March 2003 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Would anyone care to share their thoughts? You can make them up if you like. I'm just trying to get better value for money.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 April 2003 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 November 2004 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 November 2004 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Your last comment is OTM btw.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 25 November 2004 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 November 2004 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Among his recent musical adventures was a recording session earlier this year in Los Angeles with rock legend Paul McCartney. "That was amazing," Falkner tells Billboard.com. "It was just me and Paul and this drummer, James Gadson, who was the original drummer for Bill Withers."
Falkner was called into the sessions by producer Nigel Godrich (who produced "Can You Still Feel?") and he played guitar on a number of songs with McCartney. "He's doing different sessions with different producers," Falkner says of the former Beatle, "but nobody knows ... if those sessions are gonna be his record."
McCartney wasn't familiar with his collaborator's musical history when they met, so Falkner gave him a copy of "Bedtime With the Beatles," the instrumental children's lullaby album Falkner released through Sony/Wonder in 2001. He admits it "blew his mind" after McCartney gave him a glowing review of the disc the next time they met.
If one suspects (as I do) that Falkner has been disappointed/angry/disgruntled over the way the industry has treated him these last several years, essentially reducing him to a sideman/cover-artist/enhancer-of-others'-work, it follows that the Paul love must do his heart good. A moral victory of some sort, I suppose.
The larger point, though, is interesting, regarding Falkner/Godrich working with Paul for material that may or may not be on his next album — it's exactly what you'd expect from Paul, that searching, persistence and sort of endless curiosity. It's funny — because it's exactly what makes Paul's output so maddenly elusive, frustrating and inconsistent for some, while making others (well, me) love him so. For the latter crowd, he's the quintessential restless artist, which is why so many are still waiting for—expecting even—that late-period masterpiece.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 26 November 2004 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 26 November 2004 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Seriously, though — even those (what I assume are) half-assed "serious" works don't come off remotely as pompous and ill-considered as those of, say, Billy Joel, Paul Simon or—most embarrassingly—Elvis Costello. Where those guys seem to be deluding themselves about where their talents lie and what constitutes "serious" composition (as if pop doesn't), with McCartney, the impetus behind his experiments in pop or otherwise has always seemed like geniune curiosity and a love for music. I mean, you can almost hear him going, "Oh yes, well, that's interesting. Perhaps it's something I can try," whether it's him doing a take on Little Richard ("Long Tall Sally", "Get On the Right Thing"), Eno ("Summer's Day Song"), The Orb (his Fireman project), Joplin ("Honey Pie"), Steely Dan ("Arrow Through Me"), John Lennon ("Too Many People"), Brian Wilson ("Back Seat of My Car"), Elvis Costello ("Getting Closer"), or whoever else. The orchestral pieces—which I've never heard, btw—seem very much cut from that cloth.
At the end of the day, there are really just a handful of artists who are capable of pulling off this sort of thing with any measure of success (and no, Stephen Merritt, you're not one of them). So, I'll tolerate the misfires — even if there seem to be an awful lot of them in his discography.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 26 November 2004 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 26 November 2004 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, otm. I've thought about this a bit myself. I mean, he's Paul McCartney. Even if someone did have the balls to tell him his songwriting was pants, he'd probably just think "What a retard. I'm PAUL MCCARTNEY."
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 26 November 2004 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 26 November 2004 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Still waiting for something that tops his two great 80s albums, but "Flaming Pie" was close.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 26 November 2004 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 26 November 2004 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 26 November 2004 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link
"McCartney":Somewhat patchy stuff. Extremely underproduced, but certainly contains some great stuff. "Maybe I'm Amazed" and "Junk" remain among his classics.
"Ram"Already on his second solo effort he was able to come up with a truly great album. "Ram" is great most of the way through, with the title track, "Uncle Albert", "Too Many People" and others all among his best work. Classic!
"Wild Life"Helpless stuff. Kind of charming in how he tries to pull it off, but he ends up helplessly lame through most of the album. "Dear Friend" is an OK response to "How Do You Sleep", and also the best tune on the album. The rest is rubbish. Dud, although the CD version includes "Give Ireland Back To The Irish" which helps a lot.
"Red Rose Speedway"Not my favourite moment, although it was a huge leap in the right direction from "Wild Life". The medley at the end is kind of weird. "My Love" is of course a classic, but there's not a lot of classic stuff. Also here, however, the CD bonus tracks helps a lot, "C Moon" and "Hi Hi Hi" both being great songs.
"Band On The Run"Sort of generally recognized as his best solo moment. Personally, I cannot quite agree with that, but still, this is a great album. "Jet" and the title track are sort of the recognized classics here, but I would also like to throw in a word for "Bluebird" and "Mrs. Vanderbilt". And, yes, btw, classic!
"Venus And Mars"The only way he has ever managed to follow up a great solo album with another great one. "Venus And Mars" isn't a lot behind, maybe somewhat more patchy, but it contains such gems as "Rock Show", the beautiful (but way too short) title track, "Listen To What The Man Said" and "Love In Song". Classic!
"Wings At The Speed Of Sound""Silly Love Songs" is not my favourite McCartney moment. "Let'em In" is kind of OK, but with the non-singles being so obviously below-par, this is not classic stuff. The other members had way too much input here, and their tracks are dragging the entire effort down. Dud!
"London Town"His most sonically polished effort so far, and actually not too bad. Certainly, there are moments that aren't quite up there, but tracks such as "With a Little Luck" and the title track are among his best.
"Back To The Egg"Following an OK effort with another OK effort. I am not to keen on Christ Thomas' way too raunchy production, but there are some great songs in here. I am particularly fond of "Baby's Request", one of his better ballads.
"McCartney II"McCartney doing synthpop might not have been that much of a bad idea, but the trouble he just doesn't cope. "Temporary Secretary" is a nice attempt that simply just doesn't work. "Coming Up" is annoying and his possibly most overrated moment since "Helter Skelter". "Waterfalls" saves the album though, bad production, but still great tune.
"Tug Of War"IMO, this is his best ever moment as a soloist. George Martin's polished production gave sort of a 10cc feel to it that really fit his music. The songs are his best ever, and there is hardly a weak track here. "Here Today", "Somebody Who Cares", "The Pound Is Sinking", "Wanderlust" and the title track are all among the best he ever wrote (and I also count his best Beatles efforts here). Absolutely classic!!!
"Pipes Of Peace"A failed attempt to followup "Tug Of War". Most of the songs here lack character and sound like any MOR song would. There are exceptions though, with "The Man" (a lot better than "Say Say Say", the other Michael Jackson duet on the album) and the title tracks being obvious highlights.
"Press To Play"An attempt at a "different" album that just didn't work out. Most of the tracks here are rubbish. Still, even at his worst, McCartney managed to come up with a great leadoff single in "Press", and one of his best ever ballads in "Only Love Remains". Still, dud!
"Flowers In The Dirt"Other than "Tug Of War" I rank this as his best album. Somewhat more patchy, but with highlights that are up there with his best. "My Brave Face" may be one of his best ever solo singles, "This One", "You Want Her Too", "Put It There", "Distractions" and "Rough Ride" are all great songs. And it even contains a great mock-reggae song in "How Many People". Classic!
"Off The Ground"Like "Back To The Egg", it suffers from a production somewhat too raunchy for my liking. And the tracks are weaker here too. I have never been into the rock'n'roll McCartney, and there is way too much of him here. At least "Golden Earth Girl" and "C'Mon People" are two classic McCartney ballad that leaves this album worth checking out anyway.
"Flaming Pie"Although it lacks the classic song, this album is a pleasant collection of pleasant pop songs, shaped a lot by Jeff Lynne. While it is not my favourite McCartney album, it is not hard to understand why this became his bestselling solo album in years.
"Driving Rain"Somewhat more patchy again, although this album too has its moment. The title track is notably strong, and there are also (as usual) a couple nice ballads here. Still not a classic though.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 27 November 2004 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link