Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

Sure. But that's a different phenomenon.

i think it's the same dynamic, whether it's fuelled by power (in the cases by father) or despair (as the few high profiles cases involving mothers in ireland have maybe been), though- "you can't go on without me".

now with extra xenophobia. Yay, America.

lol

Hmm. Maybe you've had more cases in the news involving mothers -- I don't feel like that's very high-profile here. Seems like...we think mothers kill from post-partum depression or anger/frustration (shaken baby syndrome), but we don't have the ownership thing so much.

Maybe you've had more cases in the news involving mothers

yeah, definitely (ireland). whether that's a reporting thing or otherwise, it's hard to say, but i don't think it would account for all of it (a guy killing his family would still be front page news in a country this size, but i suppose a mother even more so).

It's an interesting question whether it's in the reporting, or in the different societal conceptions of mothers that apply different pressures to people.

The gunman in the Pittshurgh police shooting was apparently one of the Alex Jones/tin hat crowd.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09095/960750-53.stm

Even more charming stuff.

yeah, definitely (ireland)

Is Ireland the only place that has a folk history of songs about infanticide? (OK, I know - a whole different thread but it immediately struck me when I read that.

i dunno, name another? it's definitely a valid subgenre that exists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/12/world/middleeast/12iraq.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print

Active military gets in on the act.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8345713.stm

http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=11451553

i just hope they kill some cops

sort of deflated that (obviously retarded) argument that if everyone had guns shootings wouldn't be a problem in amurica.

can't be a man without guns, world's a better place with guns ~crosses arms~

*shoots omar in the arms*

it'll take a lot more than that

http://images.publicradio.org/content/2008/06/06/20080606_steroiduser2.jpg

america went a relatively long time without this happening

*deflates omar's arms with a safety pin**

cankles, thats a really shitty thing to say.

sssssssss

Fort Hood, near the town of Killeen, is the largest US base in the world.

killeen incidentally the location of the 2nd deadliest shooting spree in US history

killeen spree

I bet, from now on, there will be media races to grab tags like FtHoodShootings.

maybe 3 gunmen now being reported

yeah it's sad that there are people here won't ever accept the proposition that maybe, just maybe there are too many guns in this country

it was on a military base! the argt that there are too many or too few guns in civilian hands is kind of moot. (unless i'm missing some crucial detail to the whole thing) no matter what kind of gun-ownership situation we have, there are going to be some guns at fort hood.

For the most part, no one has guns on a military base outside of MPs and people using them on-duty. Soldiers can register private weapons on base, but they have to be locked up and transported to and from hunting/range without deviation.

surely it doesn't matter where it was- if people have access to guns, eventually someone is going to use them to shoot a bunch of people.

Update 3:36 Fort Hood officials say they cannot confirm whether the shooters were military or civilians.

^^ yeah maybe i spoke too soon.

surely it doesn't matter where it was- if people have access to guns, eventually someone is going to use them to shoot a bunch of people.

... Really? Isn't that like saying "if people have access to knives, eventually someone is going to use them to stab a bunch of people"?

I mean, I am not an advocate of widespread gun access but I am also not an advocate of making up bullshit premises so you can scare people into doing what you want them to do.

yeah i've got fam at ft hood right now

waiting on word

(I would likely support the argument that guns have been desensitized into playthings and we, as a society, have become too irresponsible to be trusted with them as a reason for gun control)

Dan: Yes but at least knives have other uses? Guns can't prepare food, they just kill.

Um... what?

i dunno. i'm all tv-ed out.

are you saying that the military shouldnt have guns

U.S. Rep. McCaul, maybe unaware soldiers are suspects, calls shooting "coordinated attack against our military" and "an act of terror."

shhhh prez is on..

There you go, Cankles:
General says dead include a civilian police officer from the Ft. Hood police force.

brb, gonna go shoot up some fried turkey

I hear it's hell on the veins

(Hoos, I hope yr family is okay)

ditto

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html

In June, Fort Hood's commander, Lt. Gen. Rick Lynch, told CNN that he was trying to ease the kind of stresses soldiers face. He has pushed for soldiers working a day schedule to return home for dinner by 6 p.m., and required his personal authorization for anyone working weekends. At the time, two soldiers stationed there had committed suicide in 2009 -- a rate well below those of other posts.

tbh this is much better than my job, minus today's shootings and the suicide stats

Hmmm...

Update 4:08 ABC News reports shooter's identity is Malique Hassan.

oh, that's just great...

Apparently all three gunmen were soldiers.

Have they released the names of the two surviving suspects?