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I'm limited in that I know mostly about brands in our line-up (NAD, Denon, Cambridge, B&W, Dali, Audioquest) but that Audioengine D1 is well-reviewed, has optical in and 24-Bit 192 kHz support, so looks good to me. I guess maybe you're paying a bit extra for a headphone amp, but then again it may come in handy. Will it be placed near your computer or will you use a usb power adapter?

In order for the Chromecast to remain a bargain, I guess we need to stay well below the $499 price of a streamer like the Bluesound Node 2, which has v good internal DAC http://www.bluesound.com/en-us/products/node-2/?cl.

Anyway, you can probably try it out and return it if you're not satisfied with the improvement in sound. Curious to hear the results, I'll try to take a few different DACs home myself and try them out when I get the time.

What do you have in your system?

niels, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 09:37 (eight years ago) link

i don't know why guitar amps are so subject to weirdness in power supply out of the wall then...because it happened w/tube and solid state gear and ALL the time.

You're taking a small signal from a partly shielded guitar / cable / pedal setup and amplifying it to the max - any ground loops, odd terminations in pedals, partial connects for cables etc. are going to act as receivers for noise. Sometimes even grounding an amp can make it amplify the difference between ground and a floating signal.
But any competently made CD player / turntable has fully shielded signal paths and the mains coming in has no interaction with the signal.

MatthewK, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 12:14 (eight years ago) link

thanks for the explanation matthewk that makes sense

niels:

I have:

Cambridge 540a Azur amp (8 ish years old?) with the companion/optional phono stage that was sold with it. This has a good headphone stage so I don't really need to pay extra for a headphone amp.

Rega P1 turntable w/glass platter upgrade & Ortofon 2M Blue cartridge

Marantz DVD player I got on clearance from MusicDirect

Speakers: EPOS ELS 3 bookshelfs with HSU Research VTF-1 powered sub

so....basically a bunch of good value "entry level" audiophile stuff.

But your point about the headphone amp is good, I don't need that. this isn't near my PC, I strictly want to stream wireless from Spotify at extreme quality into my stereo system...

Would a Cambridge DAC be a good choice just because I have one? Obviously looking at the lowest range of price for a respectable DAC, or tell me about any of the other options would be great.

Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link

The moment this thread became useful it became waaaaaaay less fun

as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 22:44 (eight years ago) link

If I didn't respect your work in the Doors so much I would have created an especially sassy retort to that post

Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 23:47 (eight years ago) link

More like DORKS amirite????????

Austin, Thursday, 12 November 2015 00:34 (eight years ago) link

That's great entry level stuff, I'm sure it sounds awesome! I was thinking of buying the DacMagic 100 for myself, think it'll be a good value upgrade and a very good match for your system. I'll see if I can take it home tonight and try it out. Can't come up with anything better - though you may also consider one of the new Cambridge amps w built in DAC such as the CXA60 http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pfePpt2A3YH/p_779CXA60S/Cambridge-Audio-CXA60-Silver.html - have only listened to it once but was impressed.

niels, Thursday, 12 November 2015 12:32 (eight years ago) link

yeah i've been happy with it. i'm not really looking to upgrade my amp. so i'll checkout the DacMagic, just adding a $35 Chromecast Audio and a solid bargain audiophile DAC should be good.

Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 November 2015 14:44 (eight years ago) link

I might be looking for something that can play a USB thumb drive through a home stereo...would one of these aforementioned DACs be the solution? Or something else?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 November 2015 15:14 (eight years ago) link

a Heos Link can do that (and many other cool things) http://usa.denon.com/us/heos-link

niels, Thursday, 12 November 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link

Ums: brought the dacmagic100 home and tested - gotta admit I'm no big fan of a b demoing... but think it works really well, it's not a huge revelation but it makes everything sound more clear and relaxed, I'll probably get one (or a more expensive dac)

niels, Thursday, 12 November 2015 20:11 (eight years ago) link

Have a somewhat expensive system that sounds a bit cheap w/o the dac but proper expensive w the dac :P

niels, Thursday, 12 November 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link

Thanks for the info, niels!

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 November 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link

You're very welcome

Applying for jobs that match my degree in literature a bit better, but always happy when my experience with hifi turns out to be just a tiny bit useful outside of current job

niels, Thursday, 12 November 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link

Cool Thx, also read about the Musical Fidelity V90 which is at a similar price

Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 November 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link

So I looked around and for OSX users there's a desktop app called Soundcast

https://github.com/andresgottlieb/soundcast

which will send iTunes audio, and audio from a browser, to ChromeCast--

seems to work!

Swag Heathen (theStalePrince), Friday, 13 November 2015 04:58 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

okay back on topic, Sennheiser's new $55,000 headphones!

http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/03/sennheiser-new-orpheus-headphones/

"As you can imagine, there are numerous design improvements that work to stamp out any audiophile kryptonite -- such as building amps into the ear cups to avoid any noise introduced by cabling, and eight DACs in total with a sampling rate of up to 384 kHz."

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2015 22:19 (eight years ago) link

So if the amps are built into the ear cups, what is that marble tube amp thing?

schwantz, Monday, 14 December 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link

that marble will tickle your eyeballs at hundreds of THz

Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 14 December 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link

xp good question. anyway, by using crazy electrostatic headphones, you are forced to move away from small signal design in an area where you usually don't have to, so you can no longer leverage amazing and cheap op-amps. that is quite a trade off.

Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 14 December 2015 22:47 (eight years ago) link

Do these weirdos ever actually enjoy listening to music qua music or are they constantly listening for impurities/imperfections. Sounds maddening

lute bro (brimstead), Monday, 14 December 2015 22:59 (eight years ago) link

I don't really understand why you need 8 discreet dacs??

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 00:00 (eight years ago) link

7 wasn't enough in the lab

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link

they first tried 7, but their digital signals were analog and their analog signals were digital. so they added one more.

Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 00:49 (eight years ago) link

(it was shingy's idea)

Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 00:52 (eight years ago) link

24 bit signal, no more than three bits per DAC, otherwise the electron orbitals clash and there's some kind of gravitational interaction. Got to keep those bits as far apart as possible until they combine in the ear. They're triode valve DACs of course, one bit per ode.

If I keep this up I might get hired to write their promos.

MatthewK, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 00:55 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

I thought this was really funny:

http://www.lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/REFERENCES/THETA%20Universal/theta.html

los blue jeans, Sunday, 28 February 2016 18:56 (eight years ago) link

that is utterly great

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 28 February 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link

lol, when the first paragraph described the size of the Theta, I thought to myself "that's bigger than a laserdisc player", and then I scrolled down...

bored at work (snoball), Sunday, 28 February 2016 19:14 (eight years ago) link

Amazing

robbie ca$hflo (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 February 2016 20:08 (eight years ago) link

amazing story

goole, Monday, 29 February 2016 21:11 (eight years ago) link

looking at this and reviews of diff components online, they all read exactly the same -- "better definition in bass, greater depth and openness in the soundstage, increased separation in treble." i just read a review of a damn turntable mat that had that language

goole, Monday, 29 February 2016 21:22 (eight years ago) link

Definition, schmefition, here's the REAL test: Listening to Caetano Veloso Foreign Sound is a hallucinogenic experience with the Theta. My brain is immediately fooled that I am inside a vibrating cloud of sound, and Mr. Veloso is too real and too close for my heterosexual comfort.

Retro novelty punk (Dan Peterson), Monday, 29 February 2016 21:29 (eight years ago) link

I currently only listen to streamed music on my iphone earbuds and I gotta say the bass soundstage is spread wide open

petulant dick master (silby), Monday, 29 February 2016 22:29 (eight years ago) link

This isn't snake oil, but pretty cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CE_zmpHcWQ

schwantz, Monday, 29 February 2016 22:31 (eight years ago) link

Excellent. I watched it all waiting for him to mention Nakamichi, and he did right at the end!

Michael Jones, Monday, 29 February 2016 22:43 (eight years ago) link

Wow!

Mongolian Cow Yoghurt Supergirl (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 29 February 2016 22:52 (eight years ago) link

That is totally nuts.

I saw one of those Nakamichis in a stereo store in the '80s; it was ridiculously expensive for its time, and for the fact that cassettes were never going to be anywhere close to a serious audiophile format (iirc, it was around $500, while decent consumer-grade decks went for $80 and up).

Also, I thought the main appeal of auto-reverse was for recording; if a piece is longer than the length of a side of tape, in theory, if the auto-reverse was quick enough, you could continue recording onto the next side missing far less music than if you had to flip the tape yourself (particularly if you're taping a concert or something off the radio). The quickness of the reverse was a spec often touted by manufacturers (I seem to remember one deck changed direction in .02 seconds).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 00:16 (eight years ago) link

I thought I was seeing something exotic when one of these came in to the store recently:

http://i66.tinypic.com/20uubue.jpg

Mongolian Cow Yoghurt Supergirl (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 00:57 (eight years ago) link

that is so cool! a tape duplicator, yeah?

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 03:59 (eight years ago) link

'theta' is a very apt name for snake-oil high-end audio b/c it reminds me of scientology, and the guys who write about this stuff make about as much sense as l. ron hubbard.

wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 04:04 (eight years ago) link

xp It's actually just a dubbing deck but you can load seven cassettes into the playback deck; maybe if you just want to make a comp of cassingles? Heh.

Mongolian Cow Yoghurt Supergirl (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 08:43 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Interesting idea. Not totally into the idea of new HD turntables, would be interested to see how these sounded on older ones.

bearded flack trickster god (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 14:28 (eight years ago) link

lol HD vinyl you have to be kidding me.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 14:37 (eight years ago) link

All in, Rebeat and Joanneum estimate that stamper-related costs will be reduced by 50 percent, while the time required to produce a new piece of vinyl slashed by 60 percent.

on the minus side a new copy of "Thriller" will cost the end consumer $100+

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 14:40 (eight years ago) link

that's actually really interesting and makes a lot of sense, why bother with lacquer or electroplating when you can just burn the grooves with a laser?

Rebeat and Joanneum estimate that stamper-related costs will be reduced by 50 percent, while the time required to produce a new piece of vinyl slashed by 60 percent.

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 14:41 (eight years ago) link

i don't think the "gigantic production bottleneck" nowadays is necessarily from the stampers taking too long to produce, but from the flood of repressings, which a new HD VINYL product would just add to.

the wording is kind of ambiguous and probably tweaked in their favor. i don't see how shortening the time to make a master plate will slash total production time by 60 percent. it seems in this case they consider production time to be from making the master to printing the first vinyl record ("a new piece of vinyl").

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 14:51 (eight years ago) link


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