YOUNG THUG vs FUTURE

thug the most vocally angelic rapper in the game ever gtfoh

i love thugs voice dgmw im just saying like, i could listen to future read a dictionary & i'd be like ♪(]^_^[)♪

also many xps but idk if a future/thug tape would work out, it'd have to be super focused and deliberate vibe, not sure if a haphazardly thrown together tape would work out well w/ these guys? maybe i'm wrong -- i think i read some producer (metro boomin maybe) saying they really work very similarly, very fast, very spontaneous in the moment

thug the most vocally angelic rapper in the game ever gtfoh

― tpp, Monday, November 2, 2015 4:11 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love thugs voice dgmw im just saying like, i could listen to future read a dictionary & i'd be like ♪(]^_^[)♪

― flopson, Monday, November 2, 2015 4:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea, agree w/ flopson, thug has some really astonishing highs but there are plenty of tracks where i just really don't like his voice, plenty of thugger tracks that are fucking annoying

At least I notice when I hear one of his tracks tho, March Madness aside everything I've heard from Future might as well've been white noise

lex + deej who are ur fav rappers this year?

angel haze and vince staples

mozzy & ty money

this is so hard. a few months ago i'd have def said YT but I've been getting into Future a lot more recently and not so much Barter 6

oh last 12 months? Future then. But I haven't heard the Slimes

i like young thug more as an artist but future's having a better run so i vote future

Agree with this. I didn't think Future had an album like DS2 in him anymore.

both artists are better than they've ever been for me - i was very surprised that i fell as hard for future's output as i have this year, harder than i ever did before (i went back to the pre-DS2 mixtapes and they're all amazing), and i was very surprised that i finally clicked with thug with the slime seasons and "pacifier" having previously found him pretty unlistenable

i wouldn't say i'm enraptured with the timbre of either's voice but something about the production choices and songwriting frames them better for me now

fyi you were also wrong about chief keef, who's had an alright year if not as strong as his 2014 in my eyes

future's been more consistent but i love barter 6 the most out of all the tapes. so uh thug

i don't think i was wrong, i just like the new stuff more than the old stuff

i liked bang 3 in a non-coommittal sort of way

on the subject of chicago rappers i can't believe no one's repping harder for nutty world 2, fire from start to finish

(is what a time to be alive remotely essential despite being a drake hater? i have no motivation to listen to it)

lex there are some really good future tracks on it that are very much in the same vein as the rest of his work from this year, drake isn't even on every song

after many tries (1017 Thug, Black Portland, Tha Tour Pt. 1 and mostly lagoon's Straye Thugs comp), i still don't "get" YT. i just can't get motivated to bother w/ Barter or the Slimes

too bad dude barter & both slimes are way better than than the older mixtapes though i guess if you can't find something to love in those than there's no use in trying the newer stuff

nah i still can't find much to love in the older mixtapes, the new ones are a huge step up

SS1 has terrific use of pianos

either way if this is the only rap music u listen to F.U. imo

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 2, 2015 11:59 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i find it hard to believe there are people who would dig future + young thug but not listen to other rap music?

there aren't, that claim is straight deejery.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWJI_zeDK0Q

gtfowtbs

there are definitely ppl on twitter & ilx for whom this is the bulk of / 90% of their rap listening in 2015

nah i still can't find much to love in the older mixtapes, the new ones are a huge step up

SS1 has terrific use of pianos

― lex pretend, Tuesday, November 3, 2015 11:26 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they're really not a huge step up from the rich gang tape you're just having trouble backtracking entirely

xp oh im so sorry i forgot about fetty wap, there's your 90%

hip hop partisanship is such a balkanized and paranoid stance, cannot imagine a country fan being "oh so you mostly listen to zac brown and dierks bentley and jason isbell; LAME your opinion doesn't matter"

voted future btw

2015 is one of the few years in recent memory where most of the music that's been the most talked about and widely listened to is also some of the best: Future, Thug, Kendrick, Fetty Wap, even Chance and Donnie Trumpet.

So with all due respect, IF you're going to fill your 90% rap quota with only two artists you could do a lot worse than Future and Thug, two of the most important rappers of this era, arguably at the top of their powers, who, between the two of them, have released 8 good to great projects within the past 12 months.

And I do know you're always ahead of every other rap listener ever, deej, and that sometimes makes it difficult to argue with you, but Power is still a better song than any of Mozzy's.
And I do like Mozzy.

yeah imo future and thug have released the bulk of / 90% of the best rap in 2015

but part of that is just the odds given that they both release a lot more music than, say, earl or kendrick or nef the pharaoh

fetty wap is not a rapper

2015 is one of the few years in recent memory where most of the music that's been the most talked about and widely listened to is also some of the best

earl's album = the other 10%

2015 is one of the few years in recent memory where most of the music that's been the most talked about and widely listened to is also some of the best: Future, Thug, Kendrick, Fetty Wap, even Chance and Donnie Trumpet.

don't think this is true, there's still amazing stuff that mysteriously gets shut out of the discussion entirely (ANGEL HAZE)

also not to bang on about this yet again but do people ever have any self-awareness about the lack of female artists when they reel off lists of men like that

I wish I could love Angel Haze like you do, Lex. I also wish there were more female artists making rap music that I'd consider for a list like that. I mean, there are good songs here and there, but your enthusiasm for these projects seems a little bit over the top at times.

i have no idea how anyone can hear angel haze and not realise what a special, one-off talent they are

anyway i feel everyone's enthusiasm for young thug is still over the top so

Oh I'm not questioning her talent. Just her ability to make music I have any use for right now.

feels kind of reductive to reduce music - esp music as personal and confessional as haze's - to such a purely utilitarian use, what makes young thug's music "useful" to you in a way that angel haze's is not?

If I didn't enjoy Barter 6 is there any point my investigating the others? Predictably I like Thug as a presence but very few of his production choices.

Also the thing is - why do these guys release so much music? I get that there's mad demand right now but when you're releasing 50-60 tracks per year, are all of them actually worth releasing? Like how high is the quality control really? Why not just release one amazing mixtape with all the best stuff on it.

I think there are really obvious reasons why the Angel Haze album is making an emotional connection with people but also reasons why it might be an intimidating edifice and not functionally particularly useful. Also the fact that she essentially self-sabotaged her major album release suggests that there's minimal PR effort going into the new one.

OTOH if a reasonably-established male rapper had released some of those tracks (especially Impossible) you wouldn't be able to move for fawning thinkpieces.

maybe I'm in the minority here but i prefer Thug when he's unhinged and working in a maximalist setting (like on 'Treasure') as opposed to the more subdued stuff on Barter 6. Future seems to have gone this way too in the last few releases, but I think it suits him better. What are the SS albums like? I've been away from the music net of late and haven't had a chance to check em out.

but Power is still a better song than any of Mozzy's.
And I do like Mozzy.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, November 4, 2015 1:34 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't agree, but "power" is at best the 34th best song he's dropped in the past year. I'd take Mozzy's "baldheaded" or "chop stixx" over it in a second

But that's not the point I'm not trying to make it about mozzy vs thug, obv thug is arguably the best rapper out rn but I do pretty strongly disagree w the idea that thug and future are the only rappers making music worth hearing right now (wait I thought everyone listened to other rap music...but now it's ok that no one listens to other rap music bc they're the only ones who matter? Stick to your goalposts)

This is what I hate about the conversation, it's like you're in camp j Cole or camp
Future and there's no in between...there's actually tons of dope rap happening that is not future or young thug

you don't say

feels kind of reductive to reduce music - esp music as personal and confessional as haze's - to such a purely utilitarian use, what makes young thug's music "useful" to you in a way that angel haze's is not?

― lex pretend, Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:45 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think you know what I'm talking about here, Lex. Some music is pleasant or challenging in interesting ways and after a while you find an urge to try to explore just exactly what it is about it that appeals to you - that's useful to me. Or there's music that just sounds good in a car or in a club or on the radio. That's useful too. Angel Haze just exhausts me though. I can appreciate that she's angry and confrontational and raps hard but her songs just mean nothing to me. There's virtually no situation in which I think hey, let's put on some Angel Haze, that's exactly what I need right now.

@deej

I think it's more about how a lot of the people who listen to a lot of rap music agree that future and thug are the ones they keep coming back to.
Which shouldn't be a problem unless you're trying to pitch a story about Kodak Black to some publication and no one wants it because the conversation is still about Young Thug and Future.

we're talking about future vs thug in this thread because they're two stylistically comparable hype-rofilc rappers of 2015. of course there are other rappers.

odd that because in terms of meaningfulness of lyrical content - which i know is not the be all and end all - angel haze is miles ahead of most other artists. back to the woods is about an intense relationship and break-up, mental health and an uncontrollable brain, the legacy of a traumatic upbringing, institutional racism, the ways in which religion and family fuck you up...there is a lot in there to identify with, or to appreciate even if you don't. they're telling their story in a way few other rappers are right now.

there's actually a lot of mileage for a comparison between back to the woods and ds2 as portraits of a post-break-up mind; both are underpinned by a kind of tunnel-vision self-destructive bitter nihilism.

for me, thug doesn't have any of that, what i like on SS1 and "pacifier" is purely beats n hooks rather than me caring about his persona particularly

Which shouldn't be a problem unless you're trying to pitch a story about Kodak Black to some publication and no one wants it because the conversation is still about Young Thug and Future.

this pretty much is a problem, across all genres tho

I know, but it's been that way for a while. And at least now you can write about Future and Young Thug without editors thinking you're nuts.

Btw Lex you should probably pitch the DS2/BBTW comparison piece to someone. It just might work, lol.

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"way 2 sexy" is future's first number one, yes?

i just looked and for singles yes, the majority of his albums have been #1 tho https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_discography

mask off at 5 is his his only big hit on his own

Weird, I don't really pay attention to what's in the charts but I honestly thought Future's time in the sun had passed but his last album made number 5 in the UK

Mask off being his biggest hit is a bizarre blip of timing w the advent of streaming and the strength of meme novelty, def not his biggest record in real world sense

not sure what else it would be... turn on the lights idk, i think meme novelty counts

it doesnt though..that song didn't get more club play or whatever. its like saying "thank you next" by ariana grande is bigger than "vogue" by madonna, or that certified lover boy is bigger than thriller. get real

if you see future live, it def feels like “march madness” is his biggest track, but i do think “mask off” is likely the future song a casual music fan is likely to know

march madness is def his best song and yeah prob the fave w his big fans

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it doesnt though..that song didn't get more club play or whatever. its like saying "thank you next" by ariana grande is bigger than "vogue" by madonna, or that certified lover boy is bigger than thriller. get real

omg im not saying any of those things im just saying it counts some amount

all songs are memes if you think about it, the club is a group chat

dirty sprite is ten years old so many greta tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCpWu_4wpoM

God I thought you meant DS2 for a second there

its 11 years old

i musta read the tweet wrong. even older then

it's also wild to me that he was 28 when ds1 dropped!

*27. still tho!

futurism

Chief Keef really did belong in the conversation at this time lol . faneto was only a year old when the thread started

i like the adlib abt his struggles w data backup

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otm

Ok so astronaut status is 10 today lol

I find it weird that Mask Off still hasn't become a major pandemic hit.

future say shit like "your racks will neva b honorable" i really fuck wit dude music alot

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