yeah I've been to that one
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link
Oddly a bunch of archery ranges. I'm less concerned about them though.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link
kinda don't think "activist opposition to abortion" is much of a model btw since most of that seems to consist of (a) blatant intimidation, harassment, and various forms of assault, (b) cynical application of misinformation, especially when seen in illustrated sandwich boards, and/or (c) getting the people on your side really riled up and pumped about the Enemy, rather than actually winning anybody over who doesn't agree with you.
kinda don't imagine you'll get a really great conversation going at the gun range but who knows. i'm kinda most interested in the idea of passing federal legislation requiring all gun owners to register with a set of newly reorganized and exceedingly well-organized state militias held to extremely brutal federal guidelines. gotta honor that second amendment! oh yeah and no assault or automatic weapons are required by militias so those have to be traded in. and all the ammo needs to be kept stored at the armory, since it's only going to be used in the event of ground invasion by the british.
― Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
Advocate for repeal, accept militia-based regulation as compromise
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link
Is there actually a plan to do anything beyond advocating for gun control on ILX?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link
I plan to visit my in-laws next week but I don't think that's what you mean
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link
well I already have a dayjob and 2 small children, so the degree to which I have time and money to commit to a massive national political lobbying operation is a little limited, but I'm open to suggestions
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
I mean I've signed up for newsletters and donated money to various people but I assume that's not what Mordy's talking about
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:52 (eight years ago) link
run for office or stfu shakes
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
not sure my repeal the 2nd amendment platform would guarantee me a win for local elected office, p common position around here
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― Mordy, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
Protest at Walmart
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link
I don't even know where the nearest Walmart is
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link
is there one in Emeryville?
shakes have you considered taking some hostages
― goole, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link
Shakey and his buddy behind Target:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_845ywsAF1Oc/R14KltELALI/AAAAAAAAAF0/hG8T6VV0uy4/s320/jonah_goldberg_in_car.jpg
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
c'mon I would never wear cargo shorts + sweatshirt combo
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link
Enact every measure conservatives and pro-gun people have proposed to reduce gun violence, with the caveat that if there is no reduction in it in 7 years the 2nd A will be repealed.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:16 (eight years ago) link
Caveat: sell no guns to disheveled men in cargo shorts.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link
is there one in Emeryville?― Οὖτις, Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:06 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:06 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no
― a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
Repeal the 2nd amendment everybody!
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 28 November 2015 03:22 (eight years ago) link
repeal everybody!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 November 2015 03:30 (eight years ago) link
there's still time to repeal the 2nd Amendment, let's do this
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link
got anything actionable yet?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link
still looking for initial funding for my repeal effort
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link
have you tried gofundme?
― Aimless, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/igorvolsky
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 December 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/12/02/hours-before-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-doctors-were-on-capitol-hill-petitioning-congress-to-lift-ban-on-gun-violence-research/
― brimstead, Thursday, 3 December 2015 02:18 (eight years ago) link
Repealing the second amendment still leaves the problem of differing state laws on gun control, which is exactly what we had pre-Heller (2008), as I said upthread. So you still get people buying guns where control is light and bringing them to states where control is heavy.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 3 December 2015 02:52 (eight years ago) link
i hate to be a gross cynic but we have all seen the tremendous impact of scientific research on climate change :/
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 December 2015 02:54 (eight years ago) link
i hate to be a gross cynic
no you don't
but yeah
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 December 2015 02:58 (eight years ago) link
i don't relish it! didn't u see my kip science advancements thread? i want to feel good about the future.
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 December 2015 03:00 (eight years ago) link
If research didn't matter they wouldn't be suppressing it!
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 3 December 2015 03:23 (eight years ago) link
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12316059_10208148052442922_4660408513214774226_n.jpg?oh=42190ac107485454ba5524cbd7ba6afb&oe=56E2032A
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link
what's sad is that the number of marks on that scoreboard (~580) only covers 2-3 weeks of murders using guns (over 30 a day) if you count suicides/accidents (around 80 per day) the scoreboard only covers about a week.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
the crazy thing is that despite how prolific gun violence is in the US it's still not in the top 20 causes of death afaict (excluding 'suicide' which is #11 but isn't subdivided by means).
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link
like you're still much more likely to die in a vehicle accident which isn't to say that's an argument for why guns should remain legal but i do get into a car every day without any anxiety that i might die in it god forbid
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
im down for banning cars too. they kill too many people.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
Cars are coffins. Make no mistake about that.
― how's life, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
and yet i can use them everyday w/out worrying. maybe it's like dropping drones on weddings. if the death is accidental it doesn't bother the psyche as much as if its an intentional murder. i am more worried about being shot by a psycho w/ a gun than being in a car accident. this is obv not a reasonable or rational state of affairs.
― Mordy, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link
ugh im not. ban cars and guns
― UYD: Oxys, Percs, Vics, Addys, Rit-Dogs and Xannys (sunny successor), Thursday, 3 December 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link
i think with cars you feel like you have some control. mass shootings seem random and uncontrollable.
― UYD: Oxys, Percs, Vics, Addys, Rit-Dogs and Xannys (sunny successor), Thursday, 3 December 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link
cars are made to get you places guns are made to kill things
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Thursday, 3 December 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link
#repealthesecondamendment
not that it really matters in my state where the right to bear arms is written into the constitution
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Thursday, 3 December 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link
the other thing is that AFAICT the things that are in the top 20 causes of death are all things we try to do something about. nearly all of them are cancers or heart disease. all of them are things i think we should do more about, a LOT more. but it's assumed that you can do things about them, as opposed to the totally insane situation with guns where, as has been noted many many times, the deaths tend to get naturalized as some sort of inevitable result of living in the 21st century.
like, dying in a traffic accident - well, cars are not that safe, BUT... cars have seatbelts and airbags and all this shit they did not have in 1960. it is at least POSSIBLE to manipulate speed limits and redesign roads to reduce driving speeds and it is possible to have public (if contentious and inevitably limited-by-politics) conversations about this (e.g. the "vision zero" business in new york).
huge sums (though again imo not near enough) are spent on cancer research, and as far as lung cancer goes at least, the rate of adult smoking is dropping though here also we should do a lot more. a multi-decade intermittent war on the entrenched and similarly super defensive tobacco industry is saving lives. the gun people should not be immune to this. we need something much, much bigger and more drastic than some tighter background check deal. ultimately, at some point, we are going to need to get rid of the guns. if we had started down that road thirty years ago, we would not be looking at hundreds of multiple-shooting incidents a year.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 3 December 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link
all v otm
where is moneybags to bankroll anti-gun initiatives, is the problem
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 December 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link
like a *lot* of money needs to be raised
the NRA has membership fees and huge donors, what have we got.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 December 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link
I can paypal a dollar, dawg
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 December 2015 17:39 (eight years ago) link