Repeal the Second Amendment

there are no gun ranges either, altho I think there must be some in the south and east bay...

There is a shooting range in South San Francisco, I believe.

yeah it's right off the freeway

yes, several. Also the big gun show they do at the cow palace several times a year.

yeah I've been to that one

Oddly a bunch of archery ranges. I'm less concerned about them though.

kinda don't think "activist opposition to abortion" is much of a model btw since most of that seems to consist of (a) blatant intimidation, harassment, and various forms of assault, (b) cynical application of misinformation, especially when seen in illustrated sandwich boards, and/or (c) getting the people on your side really riled up and pumped about the Enemy, rather than actually winning anybody over who doesn't agree with you.

kinda don't imagine you'll get a really great conversation going at the gun range but who knows. i'm kinda most interested in the idea of passing federal legislation requiring all gun owners to register with a set of newly reorganized and exceedingly well-organized state militias held to extremely brutal federal guidelines. gotta honor that second amendment! oh yeah and no assault or automatic weapons are required by militias so those have to be traded in. and all the ammo needs to be kept stored at the armory, since it's only going to be used in the event of ground invasion by the british.

Advocate for repeal, accept militia-based regulation as compromise

Is there actually a plan to do anything beyond advocating for gun control on ILX?

I plan to visit my in-laws next week but I don't think that's what you mean

Is there actually a plan to do anything beyond advocating for gun control on ILX?

well I already have a dayjob and 2 small children, so the degree to which I have time and money to commit to a massive national political lobbying operation is a little limited, but I'm open to suggestions

I mean I've signed up for newsletters and donated money to various people but I assume that's not what Mordy's talking about

run for office or stfu shakes

not sure my repeal the 2nd amendment platform would guarantee me a win for local elected office, p common position around here

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Protest at Walmart

I don't even know where the nearest Walmart is

is there one in Emeryville?

shakes have you considered taking some hostages

Shakey and his buddy behind Target:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_845ywsAF1Oc/R14KltELALI/AAAAAAAAAF0/hG8T6VV0uy4/s320/jonah_goldberg_in_car.jpg

c'mon I would never wear cargo shorts + sweatshirt combo

Enact every measure conservatives and pro-gun people have proposed to reduce gun violence, with the caveat that if there is no reduction in it in 7 years the 2nd A will be repealed.

Caveat: sell no guns to disheveled men in cargo shorts.

is there one in Emeryville?

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:06 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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Repeal the 2nd amendment everybody!

repeal everybody!

there's still time to repeal the 2nd Amendment, let's do this

got anything actionable yet?

still looking for initial funding for my repeal effort

have you tried gofundme?

https://twitter.com/igorvolsky

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/12/02/hours-before-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-doctors-were-on-capitol-hill-petitioning-congress-to-lift-ban-on-gun-violence-research/

Repealing the second amendment still leaves the problem of differing state laws on gun control, which is exactly what we had pre-Heller (2008), as I said upthread. So you still get people buying guns where control is light and bringing them to states where control is heavy.

i hate to be a gross cynic but we have all seen the tremendous impact of scientific research on climate change :/

i hate to be a gross cynic

no you don't

but yeah

i don't relish it! didn't u see my kip science advancements thread? i want to feel good about the future.

If research didn't matter they wouldn't be suppressing it!

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what's sad is that the number of marks on that scoreboard (~580) only covers 2-3 weeks of murders using guns (over 30 a day) if you count suicides/accidents (around 80 per day) the scoreboard only covers about a week.

the crazy thing is that despite how prolific gun violence is in the US it's still not in the top 20 causes of death afaict (excluding 'suicide' which is #11 but isn't subdivided by means).

like you're still much more likely to die in a vehicle accident which isn't to say that's an argument for why guns should remain legal but i do get into a car every day without any anxiety that i might die in it god forbid

im down for banning cars too. they kill too many people.

Cars are coffins. Make no mistake about that.

and yet i can use them everyday w/out worrying. maybe it's like dropping drones on weddings. if the death is accidental it doesn't bother the psyche as much as if its an intentional murder. i am more worried about being shot by a psycho w/ a gun than being in a car accident. this is obv not a reasonable or rational state of affairs.

ugh im not. ban cars and guns

i think with cars you feel like you have some control. mass shootings seem random and uncontrollable.

cars are made to get you places guns are made to kill things

#repealthesecondamendment

not that it really matters in my state where the right to bear arms is written into the constitution

the other thing is that AFAICT the things that are in the top 20 causes of death are all things we try to do something about. nearly all of them are cancers or heart disease. all of them are things i think we should do more about, a LOT more. but it's assumed that you can do things about them, as opposed to the totally insane situation with guns where, as has been noted many many times, the deaths tend to get naturalized as some sort of inevitable result of living in the 21st century.

like, dying in a traffic accident - well, cars are not that safe, BUT... cars have seatbelts and airbags and all this shit they did not have in 1960. it is at least POSSIBLE to manipulate speed limits and redesign roads to reduce driving speeds and it is possible to have public (if contentious and inevitably limited-by-politics) conversations about this (e.g. the "vision zero" business in new york).

huge sums (though again imo not near enough) are spent on cancer research, and as far as lung cancer goes at least, the rate of adult smoking is dropping though here also we should do a lot more. a multi-decade intermittent war on the entrenched and similarly super defensive tobacco industry is saving lives. the gun people should not be immune to this. we need something much, much bigger and more drastic than some tighter background check deal. ultimately, at some point, we are going to need to get rid of the guns. if we had started down that road thirty years ago, we would not be looking at hundreds of multiple-shooting incidents a year.