https://twitter.com/shiftmsnbc/status/659117014368309248
FALSE ALARM, EVERYONE
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link
whew
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 22:02 (eight years ago) link
"i just want everyone to know that i didn't assault that student because she was african-american. i assaulted her because i am a psychopathic jerk with violent tendencies."
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 00:38 (eight years ago) link
also, lol: https://twitter.com/WilFay33/status/659121227559280640
Wife tried to run a thought experiment of what it would take for white assholes to believe that violence perpetrated on a black child by a police officer might be wrong. I explained to her this is not a useful road to go down because there is none. There will be churches full of white people all across this country where the accepted line of reasoning will be that the cop may have overreacted, and it did look bad from the video, but she must have done something to set him off, she wasn't just sitting there, she's no saint, etc. I believe "she's no saint" is already the line on Fox, actually.
I think the more useful discussion is why are we using cops in social worker roles all the fucking time? The lowest level quality-of-life crime a cop should be expected to deal with is public intoxication, or something to that effect. Cops are equipped with tasers, batons and guns because they are trained and expected to respond to acts of violence. But because a LICSW is some kind of girly liberal bullshit, we have determined as a society that more muscle is what we really need, everywhere. This doesn't even have to be a federal legislative conversation. This could just be a local level hiring practice. But nobody has the imagination anymore for sending anything other than "a bigger dog" into any potentially confrontational situation.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 13:42 (eight years ago) link
De-escalation takes work; escalation only takes ego.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 13:44 (eight years ago) link
in the more troubled schools here they've been trying new talk-it-out-with-students discipline techniques and a bunch of people have complained that basically this appears not to be punishment and doesn't do anything more to make the place stop looking lawless and shouldn't we be seeing some CONSEQUENCES etc
despite the CONSEQUENCES regime being the one where tempers flare wildly and teachers get scared and there are cops in the building
― j., Wednesday, 28 October 2015 13:53 (eight years ago) link
I think the more useful discussion is why are we using cops in social worker roles all the fucking time?
that is an excellent question and frankly i didn't even know cops were employed in many schools.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link
'Sources' say that this particular cop won't be employed there anymore!
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
I don't see color when I violently assault children for no reason
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
that child could have been black, white, red, yellow, or whatever, and I still would have suplexed her ass
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link
Outrageusly, the two girls arrested in class will still be charged. One of them for disrupting class after a police officer assaulted one of her classmates...
I mean, sure, he was out of line, but she should not have protested. 1000$ bail.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 16:53 (eight years ago) link
I hope that the judge looks at this and throws it out immediately
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
Fields has been fired.http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/28/452501995/s-c-sheriff-will-decide-deputy-s-future-with-department
― phở intellectual (WilliamC), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:15 (eight years ago) link
presumably he can wait for the gofundme money to roll in
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
i hate the world.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/there-are-no-innocent-black-people-1739019535
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link
As anybody who spends any time in any grammar/jr. high/high school can tell you, there are cops baked into primary education in a way that is almost unrecognizable to those of us who grew up prior to columbine
― a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 22:39 (eight years ago) link
we had cops assigned to our campuses in jr. high/high school in the late 80s. I saw them all the time. My high school cop once produced a list of the literally hundreds of gangs/gang members that were active on campus, which was total Satanic Panic + racist bullshit. He is, unsurprisingly, a right-wing fundie Xtian nutjob (here's his linkedin page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thegadfly4u) who plays in a Christian rock band. Worst high school ever.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 22:50 (eight years ago) link
I think we had a cop by the time I graduated. Obviously Officer Whatever didn't have much to do at my school, and I think the teachers resented his presence (not necessarily him personally) for the most part. Anyway, depressing.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 23:56 (eight years ago) link
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― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 29 October 2015 01:26 (eight years ago) link
No one knows what that looks like in eternity
and neither will you!
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 29 October 2015 01:37 (eight years ago) link
two blocks away from last night, the police shot a guy in the head after he flagged them down and then "extended a towel-wrapped arm towards them". The cops told him to put down the gun and then shot him. Anyway, unarmed OF COURSE.
― nomar, Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:10 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
video showed him with a big head wound and the cops flipping him over and cuffing him. He's still alive somehow.
― nomar, Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:12 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
below is an update about this case, which is to me one of the most egregious crimes committed by police I've ever heard about but still seems to go underreported even in L.A. It's difficult to read and see how this poor gent is now.
http://www.losfelizledger.com/article/federal-lawsuit-to-be-filed-in-walter-deleon-shooting/
― nomar, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:49 (eight years ago) link
that is fucking horrifying
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 29 October 2015 21:06 (eight years ago) link
i hope he and his family get $50 million
― nomar, Thursday, 29 October 2015 21:20 (eight years ago) link
jesus fucking christ, that is the worst thing i've read in i don't know how long. i'm at work and i'm about to cry.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
FBI Director Comey says the "era of viral videos" has put cops "under siege," and that violent crime may be rising because cops can't do their jobs without brutality as an option, essentially. (this is being called a "Ferguson effect" by the likes of Shit Christie)
https://news.vice.com/article/the-fbi-director-says-cops-are-under-siege-from-viral-videos
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2015/10/28/124357/the-myth-of-police-reluctance/
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
fuck the cops
― marcos, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
well, fuck comey, for sure. frankly i think this is firing offense. not only does he not have any evidence to back up his assertion (as he admits himself!) but it's not really his business.
i'm not sure that "cops" in general are the problem, although there are surely plenty of rotten cops just like there are rotten folks in any profession.
generally speaking, folks' behaviors -- especially in a large social category like "law enforcement" -- is conditioned by the structures they're working within. we need to change those structures. certain rules--or the lack of same--breed certain behaviors.
comey is not helping.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
What does Comey propose? To ban the filming of cops in public areas? What's his point? What a dipshit
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:23 (eight years ago) link
yeah, that's what's so pernicious. he's like, "i dunno, just sayin what i'm hearin'..." but the actual implications of his remarks (which he will never spell out) are so revoltingly reactionary and anti-democratic.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link
I have to say that he's totally right about it being really hard to just do whatever you want to do however you want to do it when a bunch of killjoys are trying to, like, hold you accountable for your actions or whatever.
― Trimming The Hegyes: The Life & Times Of A Sweathog's Barber (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link
apparently Obama called him into the WH for an *unscheduled* meeting after these 2 speeches
didn't can him tho
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
fwiw the cops in the lil vermont town near me (known for being wealthy-and-progressive) was going to get body cameras until the town gov't struck down the idea citing ~privacy concerns~
for citizens
it was the cops who had asked for them in the first place
vermont, man
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link
well, yeah, those are legit concerns. it's complicated.
they just announced that all cops in this city will wear body cameras while on duty. citizens can request that they turn them off during encounters, but the ultimate decision is made at the cop's discretion.
i understand the call for body cameras, and maybe they are necessary, but they will raise all kinds of complex privacy issues, and we might end up regretting having advocated for them.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:18 (eight years ago) link
maybe they should be required to blur out the faces of civilians in the videos unless there is a prevailing reason why the person should be identified.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
The main issue I have with body cameras is that it seems like most people are unwilling to believe the bald evidence video puts in front of them and grope for a context uncaptured by film that supports whatever narrative they want to believe anyway, so it seems like it will be a largely frustrating, expensive empty gesture that will do nothing but generate more ill will towards everyone.
The best alternative I can come up with is to just murder everyone and start over; when weighed against this, body cameras begin to seem like a much more reasonable choice.
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:27 (eight years ago) link
idk maybe we should explore this murder option, could all work out
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link
I figured you'd be on board
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
also fwiw Comey should never have been nominated in the first place, hope Obama's regretting his selection of yet another shitty Dubya appointee
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
In a US culture where involuntary contact with the police is assumed by many as probably your own damn fault, the potential for blackmail and abuse ("see, we had to talk to this wild out of control thug many times before the justified shooting -- here's video!") seems huge.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
i'm sort of not understanding what the privacy issues might be
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:33 (eight years ago) link
i mean assuming the cops aren't just allowed to upload whatever they want on youtube
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:34 (eight years ago) link
police with body cameras entire a private buildingsomeone unrelated to their reason for entry is there doing something they don't want others in their lives to know abouttheir presence is now part of the public record tied to a completely unrelated matter
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
I have zero concerns/issues with body camera usage in public spaces because it's a public space and one should have zero expectation of privacy in public
In more practical terms I think everyone should have zero expectations of privacy anyway since "privacy" as it's been implemented in this country usually only applies to white people but I've had that argument before
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:37 (eight years ago) link
xp - can those public record tapes be obtained by unrelated third parties? journos etc.?
― INTOXICATING LIQUORS (art), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:37 (eight years ago) link
I don't think body camera video automatically = public record, it would have to be admitted into an evidence in a trial for that, and it would not be hard to remove irrelevant people/activity from the evidence (I would think)
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:39 (eight years ago) link
I think everyone should have zero expectations of privacy anyway
I agree w this tho
xxp if they're police property and usable as case evidence, i'm guessing probably, much like police reports
― Nhex, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:40 (eight years ago) link
my parents found out about my first speeding ticket because of the police blotter lol small townz
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link