Repeal the Second Amendment

let's confiscate all their guns, dump them into the ocean so that they form a giant island, and invite them all to move there

Of course, rising sea levels will soon proceed to drown them on their gun island.

we can just add the guns to the pile of plastic in the pacific

and, of course, the Second Amendment.

is totally indestructible, could alternately be used as a sail or a raft or a blanket

Fuck'em. Let'em sink.

Speaking as an engineer, that coworker was fulla shit.

However, intelligence ain't shit in blocking dumb-ass beliefs. There are plenty of technolibertarian types who are very good at their particular subject matter area, but heavily socially damaged in many others. There was a great bit awhile back talking about either gamergate or MRA/Red Pill types having a very particularly screwed sense of hyperrationality, as if only they saw the world clear and clean and free of those nasty human feelings clouding everything.

There's a particularly epistemic closure that happens, and you don't know you're in it because you lack the perspective or cognitive mechanisms to be aware of your own limitations. People with very high numbers in their Intelligence stay but straight nil in Wisdom or Perception.

Always be aware that you are the figure in the portrait, and those can't tell what frame you've been mounted in. Something like that.

Intelligence stat, rather

I have just read about an idea that could assist the gun-control movement without the necessity of repeal of the second amendment. Call it the "well-regulated militia" movement.

It would require every owner of a gun to be enrolled in a state-regulated militia. The regulation of that militia could be a fruitful ground for making gun ownership a much less casual affair and for placing a large number of responsibilities on every gun owner. Failure to enroll in this militia would be a felony, and failure to comply with its regulations would require forfeiture of one's guns.

This seems much more politically possible than repeal and opens whole vistas of possibilities in those states where the gun owners are not politically in the driver's seat.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/02/what-liberals-dont-want-to-admit-about-gun-control/

i agree with this; most of the measures proposed by (mostly democrat) lawmakers wouldn't really do much. if we really want to reduce gun violence significantly we need to do what australia did: have a mandatory "buy back" of almost all handguns and assault weapons. or confiscate them.

'I need to protect myself with as much ammunition as I can get...'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/02/what-liberals-dont-want-to-admit-about-gun-control/

gonna re-post this b/c i think it's really important. stupid click-bait headline, as usual, but the points it makes are sound, i think.

successful prosecution of gun stores = one step closer to prosecuting gun manufacturers: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/14/an-unprecedented-jury-verdict-orders-gun-shop-to-pay-nearly-6-million-to-injured-police-officers/

do you understand what a trendline is

― BRAAAAAAMETHEUS (El Tomboto), Saturday, October 3, 2015 8:25 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yup

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/this-chart/gallup-gun-control-spike

this is exactly the wrong approach: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gun-control-movement-retreats-to-revitalize-itself/2015/10/27/cabf918c-7ce4-11e5-afce-2afd1d3eb896_story.html

feel like our nascent lobbying group needs to give these guys a talking-to

has it been repealed yet

shakey, have you actually done anything besides starting this thread to move forward your goal of repealing the amendment?

lmao

I'm working on it

need some deep pocketed donors to get our lobbying operation off the ground, does anyone have a few million lying around

have you considered wearing a sandwich-board sign on a busy street corner?

or protesting gun shops w/ placards showing bullet-ridden dead bodies? it seems pretty clear to me that activist opposition to the second amendment doesn't come anywhere near the passion of activist opposition to abortion.

there are no gun shops in my city to protest against, unfortunately

but our lobbying group endorses this tactic

no gun ranges you can protest? i'm skeptical.

there are no gun ranges either, altho I think there must be some in the south and east bay...

There is a shooting range in South San Francisco, I believe.

yeah it's right off the freeway

yes, several. Also the big gun show they do at the cow palace several times a year.

yeah I've been to that one

Oddly a bunch of archery ranges. I'm less concerned about them though.

kinda don't think "activist opposition to abortion" is much of a model btw since most of that seems to consist of (a) blatant intimidation, harassment, and various forms of assault, (b) cynical application of misinformation, especially when seen in illustrated sandwich boards, and/or (c) getting the people on your side really riled up and pumped about the Enemy, rather than actually winning anybody over who doesn't agree with you.

kinda don't imagine you'll get a really great conversation going at the gun range but who knows. i'm kinda most interested in the idea of passing federal legislation requiring all gun owners to register with a set of newly reorganized and exceedingly well-organized state militias held to extremely brutal federal guidelines. gotta honor that second amendment! oh yeah and no assault or automatic weapons are required by militias so those have to be traded in. and all the ammo needs to be kept stored at the armory, since it's only going to be used in the event of ground invasion by the british.

Advocate for repeal, accept militia-based regulation as compromise

Is there actually a plan to do anything beyond advocating for gun control on ILX?

I plan to visit my in-laws next week but I don't think that's what you mean

Is there actually a plan to do anything beyond advocating for gun control on ILX?

well I already have a dayjob and 2 small children, so the degree to which I have time and money to commit to a massive national political lobbying operation is a little limited, but I'm open to suggestions

I mean I've signed up for newsletters and donated money to various people but I assume that's not what Mordy's talking about

run for office or stfu shakes

not sure my repeal the 2nd amendment platform would guarantee me a win for local elected office, p common position around here

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Protest at Walmart

I don't even know where the nearest Walmart is

is there one in Emeryville?

shakes have you considered taking some hostages

Shakey and his buddy behind Target:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_845ywsAF1Oc/R14KltELALI/AAAAAAAAAF0/hG8T6VV0uy4/s320/jonah_goldberg_in_car.jpg

c'mon I would never wear cargo shorts + sweatshirt combo

Enact every measure conservatives and pro-gun people have proposed to reduce gun violence, with the caveat that if there is no reduction in it in 7 years the 2nd A will be repealed.

Caveat: sell no guns to disheveled men in cargo shorts.

is there one in Emeryville?

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:06 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no

Repeal the 2nd amendment everybody!